“The Year of the Cloned Products” – Vincent Laforet – ON THE GO – episode 46

Stay away from counterfeit products: Straight talk with Vincent Laforet in this episode of ON THE GO. 

Vincent Laforet and Nino Leitner “On the Go” for cinema5D.

“Innovation is being destroyed”

In this year’s first episode of our car talk show ON THE GO, I talked to commercial director / photographer and DSLR pioneer Vincent Laforet about the state of the industry.

Vincent identified a dire state in gear manufacturing, with more and more innovative products being ripped off by (mainly) Asian counterfeit products. To make matters worse, some of those clone companies aren’t small operations, they are becoming huge international players. What’s left for the innovators is to go to court, which isn’t easy – not even having expensive patents necessarily protects you from counterfeiters, if you don’t have the financial resources to fight against them in international courts. And even if you do, particularly Chinese companies are still often hard to grasp legally from Western countries.

We talked in particular about a high-profile clone of the MoVi Pro which has been announced just before NAB, which upset Vincent in particular as he was the person who launched the MoVi M10 together with his friends from Freefly a couple of years ago.

Check back next week for another episode with Vincent Laforet, in which he will talk about how it is to shoot commercials for Apple, where his career is moving and where he expects things will go in the coming years for him and the industry.

Do you care if you have “the original” of a product if it works better or is price all that matters to you? Let us know in the comments below!

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Lassie Brian
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I’ve trusted youngnuos they have never let me down

Michael Sandiford
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Are sure that’s the real Vincent Laforet?

Nino Leitner
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Is there a counterfeit version of him? ;)

 paolo baroni
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paolo baroni

he’s upset with dji because freefly are his friends but we know movi price point just for rentals……and we also know dji quality is good!….except for assistance of any kind…..except when cash involved, orders mails those are superfast :)

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T F

This is what a lot of people don’t realize unless they have had extensive experience with the Movi – not all stabilizers are created equal. There is a wide range in terms of performance, and there aren’t many gimbals out there that will give – even an experienced operator – smooth footage at focal lengths beyond 40 or 50mm. There is a reason you see most “demo” footage from the smaller knockoff companies is shot in slow motion, because it’s not very smooth in regular speed! In regards to Ronin VS Movi, having owned both – the Movi simply produces… Read more »

 Clayton Burkhart
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Clayton Burkhart

Sorry Nino but the only reason the price point has come down on the Movi is thanks to DJI. Otherwise the Movi Pro would still be at $15K. Further, I find this whole argument a bit disingenuous. Look at who Cinema5D has just offered their best of NAB award. Aputure was busy making knock off’s 3 years ago. Technically Litepanels has the patent for LED panels in the US. Coollights was forced to stop making them because of it. Today, their are so many knock off’s that we can pick one up for 1/10th the cost of a Litepanel, including… Read more »

Simon Roberts
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That’s like saying don’t eat a kit kat because mars did it first. Competition is a good thing!

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T F

I agree with Vincent, although one could argue that right now the consumer is benefiting either way. Wether or not the playing field is “fair,” there’s no denying that if it weren’t for DJI, the Movi would still cost twice as much. China’s lack of regulations (aka: total free-for-all) can be pretty unfair in the world marketplace, but it is also capable of producing amazing innovation as well. To see the other side of the coin, consider the immense innovation that has happened with drones in the last few years. Drones have improved at a lightning pace, and it’s amazing… Read more »

Tim Naylor
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I have a love hate with Freefly. The Movi Pro is without a doubt an immense improvement. The software, the mimic, the built non phone settings control on the back are all good. But I wouldn’t call it Freefly the easy choice for pros. It took FF four years to finally ditch an inconvenient and dangerous battery situation. Their bare lipo system for the m10/15 was a POA. With MPro they finally added internal cabling and multiple power outs, something TIlta did a year before. The problem is they run the D taps horizontally side by side, making it impossible… Read more »

 Bryan Conway
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Bryan Conway

People still find this guy relevant? Damn, ya boy got chunky. I don’t trust the fat.

Johnnie Behiri
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Bryan Conway.

Showing a bit of respect to a colleague won’t hurt.

If you have something to say and criticize Vincent’s professional work, please go ahead. Otherwise, I kindly ask you to edit your message and drop the offending personal part.

Thank you.

Johnnie

 sicha ned
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sicha ned

i see… freefly announce a product just before nab, dji shows up at nab with a similar product – and now they copy? lol… remember when gopro announced the karma, did dji copy gopro too when they released the mavic a week later? how long you think it takes dji to copy a product? timing friends, this is no copy! cant be, too little time to do so. and now lets have a look at freefly. they came out with the movi m10 (and vincent tried so hard to sell it to us), which admittedly was a new approach, but… Read more »

Kamto W
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Kamto W

Year of the copy? Ha I wonder he ever studied human history at all. I recommend google ‘stradivarius violin german copy’. A German made Stradivarius violin copy worth about a 1000 bucks various an Italian original worth millions. And that was more than a century ago. Human history has been littered with imitations that spawn new ideas anyway. And were Freefly products all that innovative anyway? In my opinion they popularise an idea thats all. What did they create? Repackaging something already exist count as innovation now is it? And to extend this to cinematography. Aren’t we all largely copying… Read more »

Tim Naylor
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While I admire Vincent Laforest’s work, I think he’s way off base in his thinly veiled accusation of DJI. Where to start: – Fig Rig invented the camera ring almost 20 years ago – Three axis gimbal is not Freefly’s invention. DJI was using gimbals before Freefly – Smart batteries, is something DJI did from the get go on R1 while Freefly was sticking us with bare lipos (dangerous and unreliable) – R2 uses worm gear adjustment for X,Y and Z balance, Freefly does not – R2 has 30lb capacity. Movi Pro 16lbs – R2 has adjustable arm length. Movi… Read more »

Kevin Alexander
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Kevin Alexander

Interesting discussion that really gets into the issue of intellectual property. Not the same issue, but it’s still amazing to me how many “professionals” think it’s perfectly OK to steal, whether that be ripping off ideas, or stealing software. I recently left a FB group for a particular piece of editing software after getting into an argument about theft. What’s so frustrating is that there are perfectly legal, FREE options out there now, not the least of which is upcoming Resolve 14. If you don’t want to pay the subscription cost for, say, Creative Cloud, then go for one of… Read more »

Kamto W
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Kamto W

If you read more carefully and without prejudice you’d notice comments here aren’t suggesting it’s perfectly ok to steal. hmm…

Kevin Alexander
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Kevin Alexander

Apologies for the confusion, but I was not referring to any particular comment on this thread. My bad. I was speaking in general terms, based on previous experience. Wasn’t intending to call anyone out, and sorry if that’s how it seemed.

Kamto W
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Kamto W

No problem.

But what about Blackmagic giving away a free editing( well previously color correction only) software that incorporated many ideas they took from other editing softwares, should we accept that as ok?

Tim Naylor
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I believe the legit beef for blatant theft is every cheap slider maker blatantly copying truly original ideas from Edelkrone as well as several offerings from CAME TV and Pro AIM with their thefts of Digital Juice’s car mount, Flow Cine’s Easy Rig spring mount, Ready Rigs stabilizer, and Turbo Ace’s Jockey. Granted, the TA Jockey was junk anyway and I find it sad, that even thieves steal and sell junk.