by Olaf von Voss | 1st July 2016
The competition never sleeps. Canon seems to have realized this well-known business fact as the Japanese company just has dropped the prices of their Mark II lineup of EOS cinema cameras, namely the C300 Mark II and the C100 Mark II. A $4,000 price drop for C300 Mark II When it was introduced the Canon C300 Mark II was a whooping $15,999 camera body. It has its strengths and certainly the camera has its weaknesses, but in the end it was (and is) a remarkable piece of technology and a well-thought-out evolution to the original C300. Check out our coverage on this camera here (review), here (pros & cons) and here (lab test). Thing is, most users including myself found the camera way too expensive to buy. As of today, you can get the camera body for a significantly smaller amount of cash as it is listed for $11,999 at B&H. For our European readers it’s also available at CVP for €9,525.09. That’s $4,000 less than the original price. I have a strong feeling that Canon is trying to get in the realm of a RED Raven and a Sony FS7 with this price drop. And it may be that the company is even peering in direction of the Sony FS5 and the Blackmagic URSA mini, which is why the C100 Mark II got the price drop treatment too. And a $1,500 price drop for C100 Mark II The C100 Mark II is quite a good camera (make sure to check out Johnnie’s review) but it lacks some advanced features and definitely shows some weaknesses when it comes to bit depth and choice of codecs. Anyway, it’s a better deal as of today if you want to keep the price down. For $3,999 (body only) it could be yours and that’s quite a deal, I think. EDIT: As some of our readers have mentioned in the comments, the price for a C100 Mark II already has been reduced some time ago. Just to be sure, please note: the $1,500 price drop only applies to the original $5,499 (suggested retail price). Alternatives I’m a huge fan of Canon’s signature color science which produces very pleasing skin tones right out of the box. On the other hand, Sony is very competitive when you study the pure specs of their lineup of cinema cameras. The FS5 is more expensive than the C100 Mark II –well now it is– and it has some very neat features built in, such as the variable ND filter. In order to get proper intra frame codecs and a post-friendly bit depth, you’ll need an external recorder for both cameras, though, such as the Odyssey 7Q+. The URSA Mini is well ahead in this race, but it lacks, in my opinion, one fundamental feature: built-in ND filters! It’s a shame, but without these your workflow will be slowed down significantly. At the other end of the affordable cinema camera spectrum you’ll find the RED Raven. It’s $6,950 but we all know you’ll end up well beyond $10,000 if you actually want to shoot with it. Conclusion Well, it’s always the same: you’ll have to decide for yourself which camera package suits your needs best and which specs are made for you. Variable ND is your thing because you are moving fast, run & gun style? Get a FS5! Need a proper codec for serious post production? Maybe a C300 Mark II or even a RED Raven is the right tool for you! With the price drop on the Canon lineup the decision doesn’t become any easier at all, but you’ll end up with more choices. And that’s always a nice thing to have! What do you think? Have you already made your decision on buying a new camera? Which one will it be?Read more
by Sebastian Wöber | 24th September 2015
The Canon C300 Mark II is here and comes with a lot of high expectations by customers and a hefty price tag of $16,000. Many are willing to put down the investment as they anticipate superb image quality in return and a new flagship cinema camera that has been several years in development by Canon. In our test lab we took a closer look at the C300 Mark II’s performance and found it less powerful than expected. [UPDATE:] Canon responded to our article. Read: How Canon Measured 15 Stops of Dynamic Range on the C300 Mark II At cinema5D we conduct camera reviews and comparisons. As manufacturers are not limited in the way they advertise their camera’s performance we strive to put the numbers in perspective with unified tests on the latest cameras on the market. Being a shooter myself I know it’s actually really hard to objectively pinpoint the performance of a camera. In this Canon C300 Mark II lab test I want to give you some insights into our findings about the new Canon C300 Mark II and show you how we tested. The Canon C300 Mark II’s reputation The Canon C300 Mark II has raised a lot of eyebrows since the announcement in April. The first Cinema EOS camera, the C300 has been very popular and remains the go-to option for many TV, film and independent productions. With the C300 Mark II Canon introduced numerous advancements, most notably 12-bit 2K as well as 4K 10-bit internal recording and improvements in terms of sensor technology and image processing. According to Canon: “a 15-stop dynamic range is provided by a new photodiode design that simultaneously lowers the noise floor”. Considering that the defacto cinema standard Arri ALEXA was announced with 14 stops of dynamic range the Canon C300 Mark II comes with a bold claim. The information surrounding the new Cinema EOS camera seems to suggest that Canon’s new sensor could actually compete with the image quality of the good old Arri ALEV III sensor that is used in all 9 versions of the ALEXA Arri has released over the years. As with any new camera on the test bench I was curious, but eventually what I found during the lab test wasn’t what I was hoping for. Testing the Dynamic Range So I looked at the dynamic range. At cinema5D we measure this using a DSC labs XYLA-21, an LED-backlit transmissive chart that displays 21 stops of dynamic range. Each vertical bar represents one stop of light. This way it’s very easy to judge dynamic range just with your eyes. At the end we evaluate the recordings with a software by IMATEST that spits out a dynamic range value. There’s some more science behind it, but I’ll spare you the details. As we are recording each ISO value with each camera using the identical very sharp Zeiss 50mm CP2 T/2.1 makro lens with interchangeable mount we can compare all cameras to each other. In our database we have about 20 cameras on record so far. In our tests and according to our workflow it turned out the camera actually has 12.3 stops (measured) of usable dynamic range. Usable dynamic range. What is that? That means within this range you have picture information that you can use. Anything beyond a certain “Signal-to-Noise” ratio is so noisy we think it’s unusable. I must say 15 stops of dynamic range is something I cannot find in the Canon C300 Mark II. There’s always a chance there’s some hidden setting in the menu to unleash the HDR potential of the sensor, but I couldn’t find it. Reading comments of other camera enthusiasts it seems that many expect the new C300 sensor to hold up to the performance of the ALEXA cameras. What I see is that the C300 Mark II is still far away from matching this reference standard and almost on par with the Sony FS7 (measured at 12.4 stops). An additional surprise was that I saw a lot of noise in the dark areas on the Canon C300 Mark II even at its base ISO of 800. While the camera has a very clean image in the brighter areas and has a really neutral tone with minimal color noise, there is a point in the dark areas where the noise kicks in strongly. When I did some test shots of natural subjects I realized that images shot on ISO 800 that are just 1 stop underexposed can quickly become a little too noisy for my taste especially in comparison to a camera like the Arri AMIRA (our reference camera). That is rather the opposite of what I expected after all the talk about the Canon C300 Mark II sensor and processing being so new and advanced. Ultimately one has to admit the 5 year old Arri ALEXA sensor is doing better… Looking at the Test Charts Below you can see 3 different cameras compared with the method explained above. The Canon C300 Mark II, Arri ALEXA and Sony FS7. You can see the usable dynamic range highlighted in red. The two fields (stops of light) to the left are overexposed, the range to the right is too noisy (underexposed). It is interesting to see how close the Sony FS7 and Canon C300 Mark II are in terms of dynamic range performance, while the Arri ALEXA clearly has a wider dynamic range and much better noise performance. Furthermore you can see that the ALEXA has a much nicer highlight rolloff and a very nice “looking” noise overall even in the far blacks. The Canon C300 Mark II has very little color noise, which is nice, but at one point in the darks, the noise is getting very severe. You can see this much better in the following image. These are the same shots with gamma lifted equally so we can better see what is happening in the shadow areas, or what would happen when we push the image in post: Camera Settings: Canon C300 Mark II: C Log 2 – Cine Gamut | ISO 800 (native) | F/4.0,5 | 4K (downscaled to 2K) 10bit Arri ALEXA: Log C | ISO 800 (native) | F/2.8,5 | 2K, 12bit Sony FS7: Slog 3 (EI) | ISO 2000 (native) | F/5.6 | 4K (downscaled to 2K) 10bit I am aware that some people might have questions about our tests. Here are a few answered in advance: Why did I compare 4K to 2K? I decided to shoot the Canon C300 Mark II in 4k (not 2K) for this test as I felt the image looked better when downscaled to 2K. I am aware Canon says they achieve best image quality at 2K in 12 bit. I did not see any improvement for the tests conducted. 12 bit will not give you a higher dynamic range, only better gradations. Why didn’t I shoot the Sony FS7 at ISO 800 also? The Sony FS7 has a base ISO of 2000 and performs best at this speed. I did not see any improvement in dynamic range shooting at lower ISO’s. Same goes for the Canon by the way. One more thing I’d like to mention is that strip of light that is visible on the Canon C300 Mark II recording. In the very dark areas you can see a faint horizontal strip across the image coming from the opverexposed fields on the left. I have no explanation for that phenomenon. High ISO’s? The C300 has a reputation of producing nice lowlight images and the Canon C300 Mark II is said to be even stronger in that regard, with an available ISO range of up to 102,400 it sounds promising. In my initial tests however I felt that the camera also didn’t perform as good as I expected. Personally I thought I would probably not go beyond ISO 6400 for most projects, which is more or less in the ballpark of the Sony FS7’s lowlight capabilities. Other DP’s might of course go much higher. High ISO Canon C300 Mark II vs Sony FS7 When I compared the Canon C300 Mark II and the Sony FS7 with the chart I found that indeed they look quite similar in terms of usable range. The Canon I would say performs only slightly better at the same ISO speeds. You should know though that ISO values and the way they affect the image brightness are often varying on different cameras. Thus I had to open up the aperture about 1 stop more for the Sony to get the same exposure, meaning the Sony FS7 is actually about 1 stop less light sensitive at this ISO speed. Camera Settings: Canon C300 Mark II: C Log 2 – Cine Gamut | ISO 12,800 | 1/840th | F/4.0,3 | 4K (downscaled to 2K) 10bit Sony FS7: Slog 3 | ISO 12,500 | 1/1000th | F/2.8 | 4K (downscaled to 2K) 10bit Conclusion Even though the Canon C300 Mark II seems to be quite on par with the Sony Fs7 in terms of dynamic range, I must also say the image of the C300 Mark II is more neutral and the noise is less saturated and mushy in comparison to the Sony FS7. So while unfortunately there is a lot of noise in the shadows, at least it doesn’t look so bad. Also the C300 Mark II seems to be about 1 stop more light sensitive than the FS7 at high ISO speeds. I must also mention: Curious about the 120fps (crop) mode in 2K I found that it’s actually very soft (think 720p) making it much less usable. Personally I expected much more from the Canon C300 Mark II. Of course there are other aspects to consider about this camera, many of which are not related to the tests discussed in this article. A big point is that the internal codecs are much stronger than on the Sony FS7 and thus it can retain details much better. Also the ergonomics are different and can be a buying argument if you have gotten used to the first Canon C300. There is built-in Genlock and a few other features professionals might enjoy. Check out this comparison of specs between the C300 Mark II’s main contenders for a basic overview. Personally I think the FS7 and C300 Mark II can compete well in terms of overall performance, but the Sony FS7’s 240fps and other external recording options make it very competitive in regards to the Canon C300 Mark II that requires a much bigger investment. Eventually it is up to every user to decide which features and aspects of each camera’s performance is important to them. We’ll conduct some more tests at cinema5D and keep you up to date. Subscribe to our newsletter to stay informed (no spam guaranteed), or like us on facebook if you enjoyed this article. We hope you liked this Canon C300 Mark II lab test. Please do share your own observations and thoughts about this article in the comments. Note: We contacted Canon to get a response about our findings. A Senior Canon Representative involved in the development of the camera came back to us and let us know that they will wait to assimilate more technical evaluations before commenting. Thanks to AV Professional for lending us their camera. Tests conducted to the best of our knowledge. Errors and omissions excepted.Read more
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