LAB Review – Samsung NX1 Video Mode – Frustrating!

SamsungNX1_labThe Samsung NX1 is Samsung’s first photo camera to with video shooting functionality. It was announced in September and brings interesting video features like a 4K mode and is also the first camera to feature new H.265 compression that promises to offer more quality at smaller file sizes.

Disclaimer:
This review is based on the first Samsung NX1 release firmware introduced in 2014. Since then new firmware updates have significantly improved the camera. This review does not reflect the current state of the camera and it will not be amended until we get a chance to re-test.

Personal words:
First off I want to say that having reviewed many cameras there’s an element of surprise seeing several positive reviews about the Samsung NX1 video mode. In my observation Samsung tried something bold with the NX1, and they should get credit for that, but they couldn’t quite achieve something that I would call usable. There are some major issues with this camera and I would not recommend it for video shooting (yet).

The photo functionality of this camera was not tested.

c5d_lab_logopsd2Like many other cameras before we ran the Samsung NX1 through our test lab and will give you some insights on sensor performance, dynamic range, sharpness, rolling shutter and usability in comparison to the Panasonic GH4.

Camera Settings
Unlike all our other lab tests this Samsung NX1 was equipped with the Samsung 16-50mm F/2-2.8 OIS Lens and shot at 50mm. (We could not get the necessary mount adapter for NX-M in time.)
The camera was set to custom picture profile: Sharpness -10, Contrast -10
“Smart Range+” was enabled for maximum dynamic range.

Dynamic Range

We tested all ISO settings from 100 up to the camera’s limit of 25600. Interestingly this is the first camera we ever saw that has a consistent 10.1 stops without any shift in brightness throughout the whole range up until ISO 3200. This means there’s no “sweet spot” or native ISO that we would recommend to shoot at.

10.1 stops of dynamic range is not a good rating. Actually it is the worst rating of all lab tests we have published so far. However it comes in not far behind the Panasonic GH4’s 10.8 stops.

We’re certain the sensor is capable of more dynamic range, but the camera is very limited at this time with the baked in picture profiles and no log option.

Dynamic range from ISO 6400 degrades with noise in blacks. Awkwardly there is no actual shift in brightness at ISO 12800 while noise does get more severe. Same goes for ISO 25600. So there’s actually no point to dial in the higher ISO numbers as they have no effect other than degrading the picture.

Also as noise kicks in at the higher ISO’s it seems there is strong noise reduction used at the lower ISO’s. There is a lot more noise on the GH4 and the NX1 image is cleaner throughout, but the NX1 is only a little stronger in terms of lowlight overall.

Rolling Shutter

In terms of rolling shutter the Samsung NX1 is so bad we had to change our test parameters. In UHD mode surprisingly rolling shutter is even a tad more severe than in the larger 4K mode. Probably a smaller portion of the sensor is used and upscaled to the 4K size in 4K mode.

With 29 milli seconds difference between top and bottom it is worse than both the Canon 1DC as well as the Sony A7S. The Panasonic GH4 performs a lot better in this test at UHD resolution.

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Sharpness / Detail / Aliasing

SamNX1_sub_UHDOn the left you have a full screenshot of the Samsung NX filming our subjective test chart. Jpeg compression is low enough to retain/show the compression as it comes from the camera. Scroll down for some 1×1 crops.
PanGH4_sub_4K
The first 1×1 crop shows the difference between UHD and 4K mode. Actually 4K has more resolution than UHD, but the image looks a lot softer there. So save the storage and never use 4K mode. Instead UHD offers the nicest picture the NX1 can deliver and yes, it is a very nice and sharp image. Nicer than the image coming from the GH4 and also slightly sharper. I wish the camera was more usable and had H.264 compression instead.

1x1_crop_nx1_1On the 1×1 crop with the red needles we compare the Samsung NX1, Panasonic GH4 and Sony A7S in HD mode.
Clearly the Samsung NX is totally unusable in HD. While we aren’t fond of the Panasonic GH4’s HD mode, what the Samsung NX1 offers is worse than anything I’ve seen on a camera of this kind. The image is extremely soft and washed out. Details disappear in a mist of aliasing, compression, noise reduction and softness.

1x1_crophigh_nx1_2While the GH4’s colors and brightness are off and it has some aliasing, it comes a lot closer to a usable image than the Samsung NX1 ever will. Samsung should improve the features they implement.

H.265

H.265 is a big problem on this camera. At the moment H.265 support is very limited.
In order to get your H.265 files from the camera into your editing software you need to convert them with the tool by Samsung. The tool can be installed by connecting the camera to the computer via USB.
The installation feels a lot like spyware as it collects tracking information and has a user interface from the 90’s. It is unintuitive to use and converts 1 hour worth of UHD footage in 18 hours (on an iMac 27″ late 2012 model).

[Update]: As requested we tried a third party H.265 conversion software. Wondershare offers a video converter that can batch convert H.265 files to ProRes. This tool is about 4 times quicker giving us 1 hour worth of footage after about 4 hours of conversion.
When compared to the Samsung tool we found that UHD file quality is fine with no visible difference to the Samsung converted files, but in HD mode quality is actually worse with more compression artifacts in Wondershare. The Wondershare software costs $50. There will be other conversion software to support H.265 soon.

Unfortunately this is not all. Trying to shoot 120p which the camera offers in HD results in Samsung’s own conversion software to report “unsupported format”. [Wondershare also transcodes 120p files. These however look as unflattering as normal HD mode]

It’s frustrating and time consuming to work with this camera’s footage. Codec quality is good, but there’s something strange in that there is no noise at all. The image looks denoised and slightly unnatural.

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Handling

The camera itself feels very well built. The user interface is intuitive, very responsive and feels more organic than on any other camera I have used. This is a big plus. Unfortunately in movie mode some essential functionality is missing (see below) and it seems Samsung got it all wrong here which could be due to the lacking experience as this was their first large sensor photo camera with video functionality.

One general thing we’re missing is a battery charger. The camera battery has to be charged via the camera’s USB connection.

Problems in movie mode:
• Actually there is no dedicated movie mode and no video button, but only “movie preview mode” which you can set to a custom key.
• In “movie preview mode” no focus check is possible. So you either have to rely on the small screen or switch back to photo mode.
• In “movie preview mode” there’s no histogram.
• Also the histogram in photo mode is less accurate than on other cameras making it quite useless to work with and spot over or underexposure.
• Lens Focus resets to infinity on camera restart or card eject. This is highly annoying.
• The EVF has heavy ghosting. It seems to be of poor quality and is not recommended for video.

Conclusion

As mentioned at the beginning it seems Samsung tried to create something bold with h.265 in the NX1 and a nice video image in high resolution, but the implementation didn’t quite work. The camera cripples itself in so many ways it becomes almost useless. It almost seems easier to shoot RAW on a 5D mark III than to shoot normal video on the Samsung NX1.

I’m sorry this review is not very flattering. Samsung tried, but I think they will have to try again. It’s a mystery why other reviews on the video side are actually quite positive. Here’s a summary of the test results:

Pro’s
+ UHD resolution files in good lighting condition turn out very nice. Panasonic GH4 performs worse in UHD.
+ Very sharp image and nice colors in UHD mode.
+ Nice and bright AMOLED display.
+ Nice menu and user interface (except the video mode interface). GH4 is not so intuitive to use.
+ Large APS-C sized sensor. GH4 comes with a Micro Four Thirds sensor.
+ Peaking, Manual Audio Levels (not while recording), Highlight Check.

Con’s
– Very low dynamic range, no log profile. Panasonic GH4 performs better.
– Very bad rolling shutter performance. Panasonic GH4 performs a lot better.
– No lowlight strength. GH4 is worse though.
– Noise reduction and washed out details in picture. GH4 retains more detail.
– HD mode is unusable. GH4 is HD is not great but usable.
– 4K mode is unnecessary as UHD is sharper.
– File handling of H.265 is extremely (less with third party software) time consuming . GH4 performs better.
– Samsung’s software doesn’t recognise their own file format at 120p.
– Movie Mode is not working well and a hassle to use.
– EVF has ghosting.
– Charger not included. Camera battery has to be charged via camera’s USB connection.
– Not easy to get good lens adapters at this time. Proprietary Samsung lenses are not ideal for video.

The Samsung NX1 offers an impressively beautiful UHD image. If this kind of image is all you’re after and you’re willing to live with the limitations, then this camera could do something for you. It’s just very hard to get there.

The Samsung NX1 is not recommended for most video shooters. For an affordable solution to get 4K video I would prefer the Panasonic GH4 at this time.

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Jason December 3, 2014

I laughed out so loud.

Talk about being biased

Cinema5D gave favorable review for 7D2 says it all.

Arthur Nguyen Reply
Arthur Nguyen December 3, 2014

Agreed. This article is an embarrassment for cinema5d. Clearly they can no longer be taken seriously as professionals. What a bunch of hacks.

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Johnnie Behiri December 3, 2014

Arthur,

You are welcome to leave. We won’t miss you

Thanks

Johnnie

Arthur Nguyen Reply
Arthur Nguyen December 3, 2014

If I keep commenting, will you continue proving how unprofessional you are with high school jabs as replies? I’d like to see just how worthless as a serious professional you are.

Undoubtedly though, you are worse than I will ever get a chance to see. It’s your turn again.

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Johnnie Behiri December 3, 2014

Arthur,
I’ts very tempting “helping you to say goodbye”. Do me a personal favor and move on.

Thanks!

Johnnie

Arthur Nguyen Reply
Arthur Nguyen December 4, 2014

– comment deleted for disrespect and use of bad language –

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

Good bye Arthur

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Johnnie Behiri December 3, 2014

Jason.

I guess you had a chance filming with both cameras to accuse us for being biased.

Anyway, keep laughing loud, it’s good for health!

Thanks

Johnnie

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Jason Hamilton December 3, 2014

No I only have 5D3 but Real real-world sample of NX1 looks extremely promising.

But then again may be 7D2 looks better for you guys.

I do understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGxOpOUErg

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Johnnie Behiri December 3, 2014

Hi Jason.

Now, this is more constructive.
If you read carefully we clearly write that the final image is nice!. The thing is, too many obstacles shooting or editing the footage coming out of this camera. Please read the “cons” again and let me know what is “biased” here. The 7D mII is “very strait forward typical Canon camera”. True, it does not have the 4K resolution the NX1 has but overall handling of footage is much easier. As a 5DmII owner I hope you will have the chance to actually try the NX1 and I’ll be more then happy if you share your thoughts with us.

Thank you!

Johnnie

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Sebastian Wöber December 3, 2014

No one said the 7D mark II looks better. There’s more to a camera than looks today. There are so many cameras out there now that let you create a video that looks wonderful on youtube.

The UHD footage from the NX1 looks very nice. The added shallow depth of field compared to the GH4 is a plus. Everything else is still missing. Maybe Samsung will update so the camera can be more usable.

Andrew Reid Reply
Andrew Reid December 3, 2014

What\’s not usable about it compared to the 7D Mark II? You marked it down for the EVF. You can\’t even use the viewfinder at all for video on the 7D. The EVF is on the NX1 is perfectly fine anyway, I don\’t get the criticism. Samsung make the best OLED panels on earth. It isn\’t as strong optically as the X-T1\’s EVF but the A7S isn\’t either. The screen on the NX1 is articulated. 7D Mark II isn\’t. Big difference for tripod usage there. Then the review contains mistakes… such as, wrong software to transcode. If you had read EOSHD, you clearly didn\’t, I already said the supplied Samsung app is to video what Silkypix is to stills… better to use a third party app. Wondershare is fast to transcode from H.265 and it does so to ProRes. In ProRes you have a flatter image that grades better, simply by applying a LOG curve to the footage in the transcoding app. You also have the camera set up incorrectly. -10 contrast and SmartRange? You must be kidding me. That destroys image quality. You\’re supposed to turn the picture profile off entirely for a feed that most closely resembles the raw sensor data in Rec.709. Dynamic range is perfectly fine and with no trade offs. It is similar to the 1D C but for $1599 not $12,000 as is rolling shutter. Your dynamic range and RS lab tests are flawed. The A7S in 1080p APS-C crop mode definitely does not have the same rolling shutter as the GH4 in 4K. It\’s better. Likewise the NX1 does not have more RS than the 1D C. You\’re using the wrong focal lengths. You can\’t test different sized sensors like this. In terms of focus aids disappearing in movie mode… only whilst recording or in movie standby mode. This is a much more minor disadvantage than you\’ve made out. Does the 7D Mark II also allow you to magnify focus when recording? No! Does it even have peaking? No! Did you make a big deal of it? No! The way to shoot with the NX1 is to put stills in 16:9 and there you have the correct framing for video (Ultra HD) and as near to DCI 4K 1.85:1 as makes no difference. Peaking works better on the NX1 than on any other camera on the market under $5000 and the magnify assist can be moved around the frame unlike on many $10k + cinema cameras. Then you hit record. What\’s so difficult about that? Have fun with your 1080p mush on the 7D with no video focus aids, no EVF, no articulating screen, no PL mount adapters and no soul at all.

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Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

Never compared the NX1 to the 7D mark II in my article. They are two very different cameras. The point here was whether the NX1 is a usable camera and the GH4 is the closest to compare. Having tested many cameras I think it’s quite clear the NX1 isn’t ready and I think it couldn’t be more obvious with so many obstacles and flaws. I’m not sure what there is to prove for you.
I think we have a very different kind of aim with our reviews. Ours is to test cameras objectively with a professional user in mind. We’re not doing these tests for hack nerds and camera fanboys and we’re not praising or bashing cameras as they come to make more noise and get more followers. We’re looking for the right tools, no matter which brand and we’re not ashamed to speak up when we find a camera isn’t ready for the task.
Our tests are solid. All rolling shutter numbers are accurate. Please do your own. Some things are not a matter of opinion. Sometimes opinion helps to convey how a camera works in a real life situation. These things get mixed up in too many reviews we see.
The camera settings we used gave us the best dynamic range. You used “landscape mode”. Wouldn’t recommend it. But at the end of the day the difference is not severe. Colors are baked in and locked to the files. We will do another lab test at a later time to look into the progress of the NX1 and will also research other workflow methods.
We’re not here to compete. Please do your reviews with your own responsibility. Many follow your stuff, not many have a chance to actually confirm if the opinion you present as fact is accurate.

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Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

Update: Compared footage between the Wondershare and Samsung tool and found that conversion is about 4 times quicker in Wondershare. UHD is fine, but in HD quality is actually worse with more compression artifacts in Wondershare. In UHD there was no visible difference in quality between a ProRes HQ converted and the Samsung tool H.264 file.

Regarding your comment “In ProRes you have a flatter image that grades better, simply by applying a LOG curve to the footage in the transcoding app.”
This is nonsense. The H.265 file comes with the baked in NX1 colors. There is no way to “simply apply a log curve” in a transcoding app.

The high data-rate H.264 file coming from the Samsung conversion app grades identical to the ProRes. There’s nothing you can do to get the quality back that you lost inside the camera. And ProRes definitely won’t give you a “flatter image”.

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Max Yuryev December 3, 2014

I’m currently testing the NX1 and happy overall with their first take on a semi-pro camera. Yes there are downsides but you seem biased. One issue everyone still has is no native h.265 support so its hard to tell what image will look like when we don’t have to transcode. You also didn’t mention what you transcoded to, I know you mentioned Samsung’s software but is that h.264? If so I think you’d be better off going with prores for testing as your going from one really compressed cidec to another. I’m using wondershare and transcoding to prores LT. The software is easy to use and i estimaye that it takes about 2-3 hours for every 1 hour of footage on a 3.5ghz 6 core CPU. With most people using 4cores I would suspect 3-4 hours per 1 hour of footage for transcoding so I guess wonder share is much more efficient than Samsung’s software. I have 2 GH4’s at this time and have been using them since launch 6-7 months ago. I’m doing my own NX1 testing and and comparison and posting the videos on my YouTube channel “Max Yuryev” along with videos on my Vimeo so plus and pro members can download the original 4k files for better viewing as well and sharing some original Jpeg, Raw, and h.265 files for people to view and play with. I would say I’m happy with their starting point and this will be a great camera for many people that want video with less noise than GH4 and those who are looking for a camera that will do photo and video equally well the GH4 is more for video and other cameras are more for photo.

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Max Yuryev December 3, 2014

Not sure why my comment came out in one big chunk as well as having forward slashes inserted.. Looks like a big mess wish I could edit it!

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Sebastian Wöber December 3, 2014

I deleted the slashes. It’s a programming issue that was just put on the list for fixing.

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Johnnie Behiri December 3, 2014

Max

Thanks for sharing the info. Appreciated especially since you own the camera.
Just a quick question. Are you able to convert Samsung’s 120fps footage?

Thanks

Johnnie

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Sebastian Wöber December 3, 2014

Hi Max,
Thanks for your comment. It’s good to know there are better options to transcode. Still sounds like something I couldn’t recommend to the working pro as I think there are currently better options out there.
If Samsung can fix some of the issues pointed out it can become a much more capable camera and we’re working on getting this critical information into Samsung through our contacts so progress can begin, but right now it still seems a bit like a 5D RAW kind of tool that reqiures a lot of patience.
Your motivation to get the best out of the camera sounds great. Please keep on posting and keep us updated with your progress. I’m sure great things can be done with it with creativity and dedication.
For us it’s important to point out basic missing functionality and limitations of which this camera holds just too many. I think the NX1 is not for most people, certainly not for most professionals, but in the hands of the right people it surely can do some amazing stuff.

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Adisa Sobers November 3, 2015

I appreciate the fact that you guys are giving the data used by an objective test to Samsung so they can fix the issue. There has been numerous updates since you reviewed this camera. Will you guys ever take another shot at it ?

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber November 3, 2015

We’re trying.

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Nougat T December 4, 2014

Max- Anxiously awaiting your review. Hopefully you will take more time to test different settings to get the most out of the NX1 and share your workflow and results. I’m sure it can’t be nearly as bad as this review makes it. Thanks!

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Oman Mirzaie February 12, 2016

can you use an external recorder / monitor like Black Magic video assist to record & transcode h265 footage to apple pro rez 422 1080p? This would be ideal as you could record 4k internally in an efficient h265 wrapper for storage and have the ready to edit pro rez footage on sd card in recorder/monitor?

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Anonymous December 3, 2014

This is the second review today which is not raving about Samsung. After watching Jordan’s comments on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1flm65f2Gy8&t=19m27s reading your excellent summary was very informative. With all my respect to Panasonic and Samsung, the only role I can see for them is to push Sony and Canon, the leaders in this business to come out with more feature-full cameras at more competitive prices.

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Nougat December 4, 2014

This is an incredibly harsh review where even items that would seemingly be positives are turned into negatives. For example: “Codec quality is good, but there’s something strange in that there is no noise at all. The image looks denoised and slightly unnatural.” Really?

You also note there is no log profile, but you know you can record as flat as you want to, because color, saturation, sharpness, contrast and hue are completely customizable in camera, unlike the GH4.

Also, why would any respectable reviewer would use something like SmartRange+ and claim the DR sucks? Try again with that off and flatten your profile, use Wondershare to convert to ProRes before grading and tell me the DR sucks then. Or better yet, wait for H.265 native editing and grading.

I’m hoping rolling shutter isn’t as bad as you say, but it does make sense since the camera is downrezing a 7K image to 4K at 30fps, which requires a lot of processing power. The GH4 4K could have less rolling shutter, because it uses a cropped portion of its M43 frame for 4K. It’s not a high cost to pay for the increased performance of the NX1.

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Tudor Mitrea December 4, 2014

Dear Nougat, \”You also note there is no log profile, but you know you can record as flat as you want to, because color, saturation, sharpness, contrast and hue are completely customizable in camera, unlike the GH4.\” You can change those settings on a GH4. Please stop being inaccurate.

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Nougat T December 4, 2014

My bad. I thought you could only choose from a handful of profiles on the GH4.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

You really can’t make the NX1 image “flat”. Colors are baked in.

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Nougat T December 4, 2014

I don’t understand the benefit of having a dedicated movie mode. Why can’t you just check your focus peaking and zebras in whatever mode you are shooting in (generally S or M) and press record when you’re ready to go. Certainly not worth all the fuss.

That being said, since Samsung went through the trouble of creating a movie preview mode, they should have included focus peaking and zebras in addition to the sound level monitoring. I’m sure this will be fixed with a firmware update.

Christian Schmeer Reply
Christian Schmeer December 4, 2014

I knew it. Next time Samsung

Ryan Tower Reply
Ryan Tower December 4, 2014

Apples and Oranges. Movie \”LIKE CRAZY\” (shot on 7D!) sold to paramount for 4M, won sundance! Movies \”slumdog Millionaire and the HURT LOCKER\” both shot on 2K cams, both WON best picture! So basically when 5D gives the brand new 7DMK@ (which also has clean out for atomos 422, 220mbps etc) I am all ears. When the C100mk2 is reviewed positively I take notice…again read above. It really comes down to GOOD STORY/pro sound. These cams are all capable. BTW, thank you for your reviews CINEMA 5D. I\’m glad SAMSUNG has entered the rat race!

Tony Hernandez Reply
Tony Hernandez December 4, 2014

Cinemartin Cinec currently also support conversion from Samsung NX1 HEVC H265 to prores among other codecs. It also spots viceversa so conversion from / to H.265 Soon will be released next mejor version (4.0) with support for h265 10 bit up to 8K, a scaler up to 8K, LUT importer, a splitter, up to 8cpu cores, the new VP9 codec, custom presets, watch folders, etc .. Plus all the other features: Cineform and Red R3d support (up to Epic), CinemaDNG, etc ..

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Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

Thanks for letting us know.

Matthew Perks Reply
Matthew Perks December 4, 2014

As soon as I read \”The camera cripples itself in so many ways it becomes almost useless\” the reviewer lost credibility in my eyes. No camera can be considered useless unless it doesn\’t actually deliver an image at all. Each have their strengths and weaknesses – the reviewer failed to mention that this was (I presume) from a film-making perspective. Those of us who make online content find, for example, the lack of noise to be an extreme positive – it improves the image quality vastly later down the line when it gets compressed to, say, youtube, as the encoder doesn\’t waste bandwidth on unnecessary noise and concentrates on the details instead. The reviewer\’s job is to inform potential buyers of the characteristics and strengths of the camera, not have an opinion about how the image looks and how useless it is for *their* needs. The reader is supposed to make their own conclusion about that, not the reviewer. Reviews from EOSHD have been just as bad (though getting better lately). Just give us some neutral reviews please, it\’s just a camera!

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Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

“almost useless” was my conclusion when combining the facts, there’s little opinion in that statement, though maybe some of my frustration with the camera is in there and made it sound stronger. I think it’s not right to sell a camera with “video mode” when what it delivers is so poor. I’m not the only reviewer who comes to that conclusion.

I find a little bit of conclusion and filmmakers view important in any camera review. Other people find this information helpful as it conveys things that cannot easily be explained in facts. It needs experience with similar tools and workflows.

If you are only interested in the facts I’m sure you won’t find it too hard to filter out the 5% of opinion and advice that is in the review and concentrate on the 95% of facts.

Sometimes these comments are like Kindergarden. That was my opinion.

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Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

Matthew, one more thing. We might consider separating our lab tests and camera reviews in the future. Maybe then it will be more applicable to people like you.

cinema5D’s idea is that we are not a single person, but 3 cameramen with different shooting styles and preferences. Together we can present a more balanced view at equipment. Each of us publishes different reviews, but we also talk to each other in the cinema5D office when we review a camera to make the end results more objective. Other reviewers don’t do that. Any reviewer will have some form of opinion. What’s important to me is to have the users in mind when doing my reviews, maybe it’s not always easy to convey that idea with my writing style, but it’s what we aim for at cinema5D. Going for lab tests was one way of following that principal. We hope we can get better and better at what we do, improve the lab tests and transparency and to integrate the users more in whatever we do. What you commenters don’t understand is how much work and money goes into all this. We push a huge portion of our income back into development and cinema5D projects. It looks so simple on the other end. And on a sidenote also users who produce for online content are important to us when we evaluate a camera.

Matthew Perks Reply
Matthew Perks December 12, 2014

Perhaps I was being a bit critical – there are indeed plenty of useful pointers in this review, which would often not be covered on other sites (like photography sites, for example). Thanks for taking the time to do a write up like this. Your ideas about separate lab tests sounds good, and I wish you the best of luck in setting it up.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 20, 2014

Thanks Matthew

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Todd March 30, 2015

I find it difficult to believe you are reviewing the same camera that I bought. I also find it difficult to believe that all of the others who have given this camera rave reviews are wrong and your obviously biased review is correct. Since when is not having a noisy image a bad thing? You do come off as rather snobbish in your statements, but not as much as that Johnnie fellow.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber March 30, 2015

Hi Todd,
This review was made with the first firmware. We will have to redo the review with the current firmware and update this article. Samsung has addressed a lot of the issues based on our review. At the moment we are occupied with projects and NAB, we will approach this as soon as possible.
Didn’t mean to come across snobbish, hope you could also take away something.

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Zlatan Bogdanski June 30, 2015

Reviewers job is to give opinion, otherwise only one review is required, if you not happy read technical spec. And rent one for weekend.

Big Man Reply
Big Man December 4, 2014

I am interested in the comments made by Andrew Reid. It has to be said, it seems that Cinema5d don’t know what they are doing. Not a good day in the office for Sebastien Wober. EOSHD make good points and there does not seem to be an answer to any of them, other than the reality that Cinema5d have got it wrong. I have no skin in this game – I am not a Samsung user – but the criticisms of the camera seem illogical and unfounded to me. I am sure the camera has its flaws, but it seems to me to be a decent effort. Every other reviewer seems to take this view. I think the correct internet phrase is : Cinema5d= epic fail.

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Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

I did answer to the points made by Andrew Reid.
No, we didn’t get it wrong. I’m interested which points you found illogical.
If you still think the camera is worth trying then get yourself an NX1 and let us know what you think.

We have a First / Last name policy. Please use your real name for commenting here. Thanks

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Todd Gunn March 30, 2015

How about this for instance: “While the GH4’s colors and brightness are off and it has some aliasing, it comes a lot closer to a usable image than the Samsung NX1 ever will.” Doesn’t sound very objective does it?

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Sebastian Wöber March 30, 2015

Hi Todd,
I will have to asses that sentence and might think about a different way to word it. What I meant was that the NX1 image seemed a lot less usable than the GH4 image. I don’t favour the GH4 by the way, so my approach was an objective one.

This review was made with the first firmware. We will have to redo the review with the current firmware and update this article. Samsung has addressed a lot of the issues based on our review. At the moment we are filled with projects, we will approach this as soon as possible.

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Johnnie Behiri December 4, 2014

Big Man.

Criticising is extremely easy!. Try the camera and let me know your impressions. Happy to listen to your findings.

(and it’s a great day at the office for Sebastian Nino and I, it’s always is!).

Thanks.

Johnnie

easyreeder Reply
easyreeder December 20, 2014

I don’t know, name or no, Big Man seems to have it right. So, the codec is a pain? It also allows for 4k in a camera with a bigger sensor. H.265 is a bit of a bet, but at the moment it looks inevitable. So, there’s more RS? The bigger the usable sensor, the bigger the RS. None of this should have been surprising. The zero-noise crit is just weird, as is the EVF stuff. I mean, I hate to say it, but tech changes, and even a “pro” has to relearn the tech for a new camera. Maybe not quite enough time on the learning curve here? I mean, even for paid content? I mean, if it is paid content. And, again, apologies, but from this review I’m inclined to think it is.

In terms of the comps: The c100? It’s a 1500 dollar camera. If we’re talking competition, it’s the GH4, and if you’re not insisting on 4k, a slew of cameras. And the major comp is obviously Sony, not Canon, not the 7dii or the 70d, and certainly not the c100, which is 5 grand.

The Af problem does sound like a bummer, good to know. The HD problems too, thanks.

Hmm, and I haven’t gone through the comments enough to figure who’s calling whom what, but this whole thing about more professional is, uh, unprofessional.

John Reed Reply
John Reed April 21, 2015

ok following up on my post. have had the camera for a few months. correct about the review: the interface of this camera is not intuitive. many of the other issues have since been fixed in the firmware update (flat color profile, focus speed). one thing that i’d like to mention about the review: dialing the contrast -10 is a really really weird choice. that’s going to really kill the dynamic range, and if you have the camera and try it, you can in fact see in the histogram that it does just that. same with sharpness: -10 is not a good baseline for review. maybe it’s good for another camera, but that doesn’t matter; you can’t export custom settings from brand to brand, camera body to camera body. also, smart range is a photo setting, not a video setting. as far as i can tell, it’s useless in video. the setting is in the camera settings, not the video settings. maybe it’s time to update this review, with some reasonable settings and the firmware, which has dr settings for video. still like the 5d tho, not trying to freak anyone out, ha.

Aris Yalung Reply
Aris Yalung December 4, 2014

you lost all credibility with that \”EVF is unusable\” comment alone.

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Johnnie Behiri December 4, 2014

Aris.

Did you use the camera and if yes, did you notice the same amount of ghosting like we did in the EVF??

Thanks.

Johnnie

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Eric December 4, 2014

What is EVF ghosting? Never heard of that. I review cameras for still, not video. EVF in NX1 is superb. Maybe it is different for video.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 5, 2014

“Ghosting is a trailing motion artifact. It is caused by asymmetric pixel transitions” (http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-motion-artifacts/)
When ghosting is too severe on an EVF then it becomes very hard to focus in a motion scene (which most videos are). Because through ghosting the image gets motion blur and you can’t make out edges anymore. This is usually more severe on light objects against dark background or vice versa.
Maybe it is an issue of the EVF being too cold or getting too warm or an issue with our model if you don’t see the same phenomenon in yours. On ours it was very visible at the time tested.

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Eric Tastad December 5, 2014

Thanks, I guess I haven’t noticed any focus issues from ghosting when shooting stills (even of moving subjects), but I am not specifically looking for ghosting which you might be. I haven’t even shot a video with mine yet either so our interests are very different.

Under your pros you might want to change “Nice Bright AMOLED LCD” to … AMOLED display, AMOLED and LCD are mutually exclusive terms, LCD is a specific display tech and so is AMOLED and they are not related.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 10, 2014

You are right. Changed it.

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Alberto December 4, 2014

Looking at the comments I have to say this:
Just have a look at the work of A. Reid. Do you see any professional shoots? Any advertising? Commercial work? Nope.

Where do you want to get your info? From working DPs and directors or from someone that walks around Berlin doing mediocre random shots?

I’m sure he knows what he is talking about to some extent. And probably has an interesting point view on many things as an amateur videographer.

Im not trying to bash him but c’mon! Are we crazy? When you look at the reviews of someone like Philip Bloom for example… He has his body of work to back him up. A working director and DP, with real clients, real deadlines, real crews… real world commercial experience.

I dont want to be a hater or anything, I read Mr. Reids website for scoops and tech gossip and he has some great info on those subjects but would never take his word on anything serious like buying a camera.

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Jason Hamilton December 4, 2014

Really? I just checked out SEBASTIAN WöBER’s work and I am not impressed at all. I find Reid’s work much more impressive and helpful.

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Johnnie Behiri December 4, 2014

Jason,

Now it is my turn to “laugh out so loud”.

Don’t waste your time visiting our site. Move on.

Thanks!

Johnnie

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Todd Gunn March 30, 2015

I find this tactic of yours telling people who disagree with you to go away a bit amateurish. It appears you have this “my way or the highway” mentality. This is after you pointed out how much of a professional you are. Maybe putting out reviews for public consumption is not for you personally. I’d say this type of work requires objectivity and a bit of thick skin, which you seem to lack. I suppose you will tell me to move on as well, and I most certainly will if you do, but as a professional, you might want to handle your contemporaries with the same respect you give the clients you so boldly tout having.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber March 30, 2015

Hi Todd,
Let’s cool it a little here. I’m sorry if you felt we don’t respect you here. We very much strive to do so. Sometimes the conversations can go over our heads I guess.
Seb

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Todd Gunn March 30, 2015

Sebastian, I appreciate the responses, but it wasn’t you it was directed towards. I hope you don’t feel obligated to answer for someones else’s attitude. You seem like a decent sort, maybe a conference between yourselves to shape a policy to handle disagreements without getting personal? It would be a shame to develop a reputation for being unable to handle the same sort of criticism you guys heaped on the NX1. Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t the target of that slight, but I did take umbrage. I’m sure it will all work out. Peace.

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Alberto Blanco December 4, 2014

I dont think its a mater of taste. Objectively, Sebastian is doing real paid work. Like I said, clients, deadlines etc… Andrew is just walking about shooting cars and people in the street and making random edits with it. Which is totally fine by the way! And I understand that it can be interesting for people who do the same, aficionados prosumers or whatever.
Here they do serious lab tests and take the cameras on real professional scenarios to do their reviews. Do you see the difference?

John Zooloo Reply
John Zooloo December 5, 2014

Hey Alberto + Johnnie, now it’s my turn to laugh out loud.

What have most of the most world-reknown photographers – from Henri Cartier-Bresson to Robert Frank to William Klein – done most of their photographic lives: “walk around the street” shooting stuff!
As far as “corporate creditials” are concerned, well if your self-esteem and inspiration is measured by the degree of your sucess as prostitute, then fine, lock yourself in the studio and simply “network”. Or start a photo-review site.

It is simply in bad taste to attack Andrew Reid in this way: sure his comment was rather very irate, but he did not attack you personally.

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Alberto Blanco December 5, 2014

Yes you are right. Those are big names in the history of photography. We’re talking filmaking here. Not photography, not art. But anyhow I did not want to pick on Andrew Reid, I just thought his long comment was kind of over the rails, and wanted to make a point about some of theese “authorities of the internet”not really having the professional experience to back all their rambles. But lets stop commenting on other peoples comments. Its kind of silly on all of us.

Andrew Reid Reply
Andrew Reid December 5, 2014

“We’re talking filmmaking here. Not art”

Maybe you could try a little art with your filmmaking? Works miracles!

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Alberto Blanco December 5, 2014

I really do try, sometimes I succeed, many more I dont.
You can be the judge.

https://vimeo.com/albertoblanco

This site and yours are about technology, 95% of the time. So lets not get all snotty about the art of it all.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 7, 2014

You rule man! Awesome stuff on vimeo. Keep it up

Kevin Luiz Reply
Kevin Luiz December 11, 2014

Im a working professional in the industry of commercial. I own and operate Capion Studio located in South Eastern Massachusetts and I have to say I would not have advanced at my craft if it wasn’t for the help of Andrew Reid. This isn’t a love letter or me coming to his aid but he genuinely educated myself and my staff via his blog. His works are artistic and to be frank, not my cup of tea, however I can respect his style and know the technical work he put into his shots. Personally I feel I am a pretty knowledgable/technical cinematographer and becoming increasingly successful in my career but I know my limitations and know I cannot yet speak to the nitty gritty. When I can humble myself and accept the terms I do not know everything and can look to Andrew to help me with some of these aspects I believe that speaks volume. This displays a level of trust and assurance he is in fact REALLY good at what he’s talking about and Ive taken his writings and applied them.. and guess what… they work! For crying out loud, the man wrote the book on anamorphic adapting for DSLRs… LITERALLY. So lets give credit where credit is due and all show a little more respect. Cant we all just get along? :)

Credentials:
Kevin Luiz, Owner Operator Capion Studio
Author for RedShark News
http://code-capion.com (Landing page full page launching soon!)

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Todd Gunn March 30, 2015

I too have been to Andrew’s page, and I find his review of this camera to be much more in line with my personal experience with it. I’m not sure how getting paid for your creativity somehow elevates it’s appeal. If I had read this without having done extensive research and ultimately purchasing this camera because of it, I’d be put off buying it. Having come here afterwards though, I’m more put off about this review than I am about the camera.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber March 30, 2015

Hi Todd,
This review was made with the first firmware. We will have to redo the review with the current firmware and update this article. Samsung has addressed a lot of the issues based on our review. At the moment we are occupied with projects and NAB, we will approach this as soon as possible.
We do our reviews very carefully, sometimes people are put off by some of the things we find. Would be cool if you could share the things you like about the camera, instead of just commenting over and over how put off you are. Thanks

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Todd Gunn March 30, 2015

I thought I said it one time. Anyway, I’ll wait for an update to your review and then we can discuss it. It seems you are at a disadvantage since Samsung has already releases several updates since your review. I will say this, based on every other review I have seen I was convinced to sell my 5D3 to buy this camera. I also bought about 6 adapters to use with all of my vintage manual glass. It would be unfair to compare my experience with yours since I just bought it and have the latest firmware. It is very easy to use focus peaking with these 3rd party lenses for instance. I don’t use the EVF for video. I did have a problem transcoding 120fps footage to H.264 but not to prores. I will check back as I get more familiar with this camera, but I can assure you, it is much more usable than you experienced.

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Zlatan Bogdanski June 30, 2015

Cannot believe that, provide links to comparison you made.

Branko Kosteski Reply
Branko Kosteski December 4, 2014

good review, thank you. i thought i saw pretty hard noise reduction in the screenshots from eoshd compared to the gh4. can you confirm that? also, can you post some original ungraded footage of the UHD? the footage from reid\’s site was totally useless because of the heavy (clumsy) grading and compression. i were looking at this camera as a b camera for my c100, and the 120fps seemed nice. but now i will have to wait and test it myself before deciding anything. btw, i have used gh4 for a music video and the 1080/60p was pretty decent. i was little surprised by your comment about it\’s HD performance.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 4, 2014

Hi Branko,
Yes, I also think there is strong noise reduction. There’s a chance it could also be the H.265 codec that might soften out the image through a compression algorythm, or a combination of both.
Unfortunately I don’t have any footage to share right now and the camera is already with Samsung again. Ask Jordan from TheCameraStoreTv. They should have plenty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1flm65f2Gy8
I’m convinced you will not like the 120p footage or any HD fotage from the camera for that matter. See the HD screenshot in the article. It certainly won’t match a C100. I think some current mobile phones will produce much better results and come closer or maybe the A7S with Shogun will have a usable 120p. We should have it shortly.

Branko Kosteski Reply
Branko Kosteski December 4, 2014

Thank you Sebastian,
I think I will just push my budget limit, and get c100ii. I have shot with both gh4 and a7s and while they are good cameras for the money, I just cannot go past some of their shortcomings: gh4-noise even at lower iso, and a7s the ergonomics and terrible rolling shutter.
And I think the biggest problem of the NX1 are the lens options – no adapters and fly-by-wire native lenses. That fact renders this camera pretty unusable for professional work for now.

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Zlatan Bogdanski June 30, 2015

Agree, also flange distance means not possible to make speedbooster.

German Polozov Reply
German December 5, 2014

nx1 have a great 120fps, better than 96fps gh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmxEIw-2E8c

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Kevin December 4, 2014

I laughed out loud at the clowns who get their panties all up in a bunch about a camera review.

Who cares!?!? If it’s the right camera for you what do you care what anyone thinks?

I bought a GH4 for a project because it fit into what I needed and there was no camera that would give me 4k at that price point.

Did I read Cinema5D reviews? Of course, I do my research and there were many negatives posted about this camera. I still bought it because it was the right camera for this project and I liked what it had to offer.

No camera is perfect. The all have pros and cons. Do your research and make your own choice and don’t get all butt hurt when someone doesn’t like the camera.

Sheesh, what a bunch of pansies. I’m amazed that people in such a subjective field have such thin skin.

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Scrub Go December 4, 2014

Great review! Just one question about the Samsung NX1. Will a future firmware update enable smooth, cinematic focus changes while shooting video? I recently purchased a Samsung NX1 and the 16-50mm f/2-2.8 lens to test. I believe the NX1 is a better camera than anything available from Canon. I am testing it with an eye to buying 3 bodies and several lenses. There is currently only one small problem preventing me from moving forward. I shoot TV commercials and stills for ad agencies. While shooting video with the NX1 camera in auto focus mode I touch the screen on the face of the person speaking. When that person is done and another person starts to speak I touch their face. Everything works great except that the focus changes so quickly that it is jarring to watch. Unusable unfortunately. My suggestion is to have Samsung\’s digital imaging software engineers test the Canon 70d along side the NX1. I know the Samsung NX1 has the processing power to do anything the Canon 70D can do. The 70D easily creates usable video by slowly (relative to the NX1) and smoothly changing the focus position without any hunting as it achieves final focus. The effect is similar in experience to watching a feature film. As far as the image quality, resolution, size, weight, wireless connectivity, feature set and handling of the NX1, it seems just about perfect to me. My numerous tests show the Samsung NX1 using h.265 codec captures noticeably better quality video than the 70D All-I codec with less than 1/9 the file size! I can convert the Samsung h.265 1080p to ProRes 422 almost as quickly as the conversion from Canon\’s All-I to ProRes 422. The still photos are sharper and in my opinion superior to the Canon 1D, 5D Mk II, and 70D cameras. At least up to iso 800 which is all I\’ve tested so far. When I say sharper I mean NX1 photos seem twice as sharp as the 70D. In pursuit of sharpness I have very carefully calibrated back focus for four L series lenses on my 70D. After using follow-focus rigs for years I will never go back to that. Touch screen combined with auto following facial recognition for video focus allows a very high percentage of good takes. Lens change – no problem! I love the Samsung NX1camera. I really, really want it to work for my use. It breaks my heart to think of returning it to B&H Photo. Unfortunately I can\’t use it for delivering pro video with the way I want to do focus. Please tell me that some future firmware update will enable smooth, cinematic focus changes while shooting video! btw- Continuous autofocus is pretty darn good. I only falls apart if there is significant distance between the focus points selected by touch during video shooting.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 5, 2014

Hi, We haven’t tested autofocus. I think by the time there is an update to the way the camera and lens focus different objects, there will be a new camera by another manufacturer that does just that and more.
If the workflow from UHD to HD and the limitations of the NX1 are not in your way then I’m sure the NX1 could deliver great images for you.

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tecno December 4, 2014

Very good review, finally an unbiased one. Most nx1 reviews out till now are simply biased. This is a terrible camera and you can read the truth here:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54853719

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Dee December 23, 2014

That’s the truth? Are you serious? That tells us absolutely…..nothing. So the poster is happy with his Nikon. How does that show the NX1 is a terrible camera?

Kent Noble Reply
Kent Noble December 4, 2014

I have read your review and Andrew Reid\’s. One has an agenda that can be seen clearly in the name of the website. Calling Canon one of the companies that is pushing forward the boundaries of filmmaking is laughable.

Jesse Johannes Justus Korgemaa Reply
Jesse Johannes Justus Korgemaa December 4, 2014

Clearly seen in the name of the website? You are referring to two companies that both reference Canon in their name! How can one be more \’obviously\’ biased than another?

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Kepano December 5, 2014

Touché!

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Rob December 5, 2014

I liked the review since it sounds honest and opinionated. It seems like a lot of blogs soften the punch so as not to upset potential advertisers and companies supplying review copies. I actually think that there’s a Panasonic fanboy troll on here with a chip on his shoulder that’s still stewing over a past review. He’s creating new accounts to support his complaining. Same syntax and word usage. That’s unfortunate since it makes the comment section look contentious.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 5, 2014

Thanks for the hint Rob. I think, sadly that’s just the kind of comments many people write nowadays. We see the same on other websites. But we will certainly look into this. If you have some names we can double check IP’s. office(at)cinema5d.com

Tony Hernandez Reply
Tony Hernandez December 4, 2014

Hi, H.265 algorithms does not introduce noise. Noise comes from the sensor and may be aliviated based on the post processing algorithm (RAW but not H.265). Sebastian and Johnnie, Can you give me your emails, can you send me an email ?

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 5, 2014

Hi Tony, we’ve been in touch before, just sent you an e-mail.

Concerning noise I was thinking the encoding maybe flattens out some detail info. It looks just like pushing what H.264 does but in a more extreme way on smooth surfaces. But then again I have no experience with H.265 and don’t know how the RAW footage coming from the camera looks like. Maybe someone can try with an external recorder. The NX1 should be capable of uncompressed clean hdmi out.

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Shiney Shiney December 4, 2014

I don\’t think the log profile came out with the G4 I think it was added to a firmware update? So fingers crossed they may update the NX1. This Review came across as very negative even the plus points seemed to be turned into negatives. Im taking your review with a pinch of salt as I tend to way up all the reviews I come across and this was the first one Ive come across that hated the camera. Im not been but off getting this camera but Im hoping to get it soon but mite just wait for the first firmware to come to see if they Address some of the concerns of people have.

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 5, 2014

While I’m trying my best to present all the facts it might be that what I personally think about the camera shines through. After having seen progress in many cameras over many years what the NX1 presents is a major step back. It’s a delicate balance. Maybe we will separate lab tests and recommendation reviews in the future so there is something for different audiences. At the moment it’s just a lot of work to pull something like this off. Lab tests take time.

Kenne Johnston Reply
Kenne Johnston December 6, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cplbNmft74k&app=desktop

Some of these points were hit on this talk also

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Nougat T December 8, 2014

Did you watch the video portion of that review? They absolutely LOVED the NX1 for video. They said the 4K footage resolved more detail and performed better in low light than their $30,000 Red (although the NX1 fared worse in dynamic range) and the 1080p60 footage was some of the best they had ever seen. A far cry from “totally unusable” as this review would lead you to believe.

Nino Leitner Reply
Nino Leitner December 7, 2014

It’s beyond me why some internet commenters are so nasty. Happy that Sebastian takes a stand in his Samsung NX1 review.

People need to accept that we all are professionals with different approaches. That’s what makes Cinema5D so unique. It’s actually a benefit that each one of us might find different things about a tool good or bad. Because there isn’t just one truth about anything. It’s all a matter of perspective.

The Lab Test was created to introduce as much objectivity as possible to reviews, because it allows us to compare cameras on a very objective level.

Adding personal thoughts and observations to an objective lab review is valid because the numbers alone don’t mean anything if you don’t put them into context of real life production experience.

Having said that, we are humans and we know the way we do it isn’t perfect. We are assessing the way of presenting that information in the future to make the distinction between objective testing and personal opinion clearer.

However we are of course confident enough to continue sharing our personal thoughts as professionals – who work with the tools available to us on actual jobs on a daily basis. Nothing will change about that.

Andrew Jones Reply
Andrew Jones December 7, 2014

I personally found the review to be interesting and informative. I think that most people have missed the boat with the very positive message that Samsung have embarked on adding video functionality. It seems that from the review that they are very close to being there, but need to get a lot of basics (if we can call it that) right first.

I think it is very important that manufacturers get honest and sometimes critical feedback like this. How else will they know what the end user really thinks? Cinema 5d, please continue with what you are doing.

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Johnnie Behiri December 8, 2014

Thank you Andrew!

Johnnie

Therry Motion Reply
Therry Motion December 8, 2014

Don’t listen to ‘those’ comments. It’s as nasty as the comments on youtube video. People like to read and see what they want to read and see.

David Anderegg Reply
David Anderegg December 10, 2014

So far I am very pleased with both the video and especially the photo quality I get out of my NX-1. The RAW images are amazing, much better than the GH4; which I found to be quite grainy. I agree the H.265 codec is a bugger to deal with. Of all the conversion tools I’ve tested and used so far I like DVDFab the best. My complaint with Wondershare is that you can’t choose the bitrate you want; you have to choose one of their presets. Whereas with DVDFab you can choose the exact bitrate you want. Anyone else use DVDFab? Thoughts? Any other programs that work?

David Anderegg Reply
David Anderegg December 12, 2014

Just a quick follow up to my conversion software. It’s official, DVDFab does the best conversion with the highest quality (the app with the little monkey head as their logo). Plus you can pick the bitrate which you can’t do with Samsungs Movie Converter. Though you can choose bitrate with Wondershare you are limited to 30000 kbps. Samsungs conversion is the 2nd highest quality and Wondershare comes in 3rd. However, wondershare was the fastest. DVDfab came in the 2nd fastest and Samsung was the slowest.

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Gary December 12, 2014

In response to a question I asked in another forum when I discovered that Wondershare does not work correctly (at the moment) with its “4K” setting in the PC version, someone suggested this site: http://mydiyworld.net/?p=1805. The software is free and works well once you figure out that using lower numbers for the quality level results in less compression.

Patrick G. Putze Reply
Patrick G. Putze December 11, 2014

You don’t even mention is you were recording to HDMI output or to the in camera card? How are we too take you serious?

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber December 12, 2014

Our Samsung NX1 didn’t come with an external recorder.
If you make a test with external hdmi please do let us know and we’ll be happy to look into your results.

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Robert December 14, 2014

I picked up one of these and so I thought I’d chime in. Basically it’s a nice 4K and stills camera. The 4K looks good. What was disappointing was the slo-mo. It does do 120 fps but the 1080 as mentioned looks creamy and processed and you do see the aliasing where power lines etc look great in 4K.

The lens was another issue. I got the 16-50 f/2-2.8 and it’s a nice lens but focus doesn’t remain constant as you zoom which is the usual standard for video lenses. Normally you zoom in focus and then zoom out but that doesn’t work with this lens.

Also the H265 thing is a bit of a pain for now but I’m sure that will get better. I did notice some frame skipping right at the beginning of almost all of my clips. Seems fine after a second or so.

Then there are minor things like the video start button being flush with the body so it can be hard to find. Hopefully they will allow ability to remap buttons in the future.

I also didn’t find the rolling shutter to be as bad as was said here. With average movement even handheld I didn’t notice it.

So I think it depends on what you need. If you need the extra pop of 4k this could work for you but I wanted good slo mo too so I think it’s going back.

Ed David Reply
Ed David December 22, 2014

I would love to see the chip chart DPX files – here’s a website by cinematographers that does proper tests and shows all the charts – http://www.cinematography.net/

Ed David Reply
Ed David December 26, 2014

In my super informal tests – I found ISO 400 to give the most usable dynamic range for highlights and shadows. I think you need to retest. All cameras have an “optimal” dynamic range – that gives the most shadow and highlight detail.

I think you should consider putting up more charts to back your data as well.

Cinematography.net is a good example of how to post DPX files or TIFF files to have back up findings and data.

Without this, cinema5d can not be taken with professionalism in handling reviews.

But of course I appreciate this review very much.

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Dave December 30, 2014

I have thoroughly enjoyed this critical review, I have to say I’ve learned alot from the nit picking comments that followed it, I thouroughly enjoyed the exchange of insults too but am I glad I am not a pro photographer, talk about “handbags at ten paces” ! I guess it’s down to the clash of technology and Art, great fun, thanks :-)

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Shiney Shiney January 9, 2015

Are you going to test again when the new firmware comes out. http://www.eoshd.com/2015/01/enormous-samsung-nx1-firmware-update-including-log-gamma/

Sebastian Wöber Reply
Sebastian Wöber January 12, 2015

Yes, we will.

Philipp Kerber Reply
Philipp Kerber January 19, 2015

i’m trying to use an adapter with my new samsung nx1 but it alway says “no lens” and i cant take any pix or shoot video.
any ideas how to fix that?

thx
phil

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Eric Tastad January 19, 2015

No lens message is from a bad adapter, there is a physical pin in the mount that needs to be depressed by the adapter mounting flange. I would send it back and get a different adapter.

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matt January 24, 2015

This is a very strange review. First of all, many zoom lenses don’t perform well at their longest focal length, and such is the case with Samsung’s 16-50mm F2/2.8. I saw a review that mentions that the sharpness of the lens drops noticeably at 50mm, but that just happens to be only the focal length these guys tested the camera with. Come on, guys.

About the rolling shutter, it looks like the camera has very good rolling shutter in 1080p, but they don’t mention it. The rolling shutter numbers also don’t look right. Most other tests have GH4 4K at about 23ms and A7S FF at about 30ms. There is a Youtube vid that compares NX1’s UHD rolling shutter to A7s’ FF rolling shutter, and they look about identical. This review also does not disclose NX1’s 4k rolling shutter number after saying it’s better than the UHD rolling shutter.

As to H265, some people are accustomed to transcoding their footage to prores for less cpu overhead when editing, and there are plenty of free and relatively fast H265 transcoding options available. H265 offers smaller file size and better picture quality, too. I can go on about EVF and other things, but it seems clear that they were trying their best to greatly exaggerate whatever downside they can find in the camera while paying hardly any attention to the upsides.

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Vincent Valent February 4, 2015

My first observations about the camera and this review :
Before the release of the firmwares 1.10 and 1.20 i almost fully agreed with the review :
Bad 4kdci video, bad HD video, not very good dynamic range but fortunately the new firmwares have improved all these features.
But the main problem isn’t gone : Noise Reduction.
In low light or in dark aera of the image, some details are washed away, the GH4 retain really more details.
We really NEED control over the noise reduction for low light ISO.

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Andrew Pledger April 23, 2015

Dude, DXO just released their tests for the NX1 and the dynamic range peaked at 13.1 Ev rather than staying at 10.1 across the board as stated by your ‘tests’. Out of interest how did you reach your conclusion of 10.1? Because it seems like a number pulled from thin air.

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Attila Bakos April 23, 2015

Photo dynamic range is not the same as video dynamic range. Video DR of the NX1 is somewhere between 10-11 stops. The sensor is capable of more, maybe Samsung will give us a true log profile in the future.

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Todd Gunn April 27, 2015

Can you explain that? Digital video is nothing more than a series of still images. Those images are captured by the same sensor. Why would DR be any different?

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Attila Bakos April 27, 2015

I’m not sure about all the factors affecting video DR, but here’s one:
The NX1 can’t save 14bit raw video. Instead you get 8bit heavily compressed H265 with a picture profile baked into the image, so you don’t get all the sensor data. In general the flatter this profile is the more DR you have. The flattest profile of the NX1 is Gamma DR, it should give you about 10-11 stops, that’s why many of us would be glad if Samsung implemented a true log profile.

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Sebastian Wöber April 23, 2015

You can see how we do the DR test here: https://www.cinema5d.com/aja-cion-review-all-about-the-aja-camera/
Also Andrew already answered why DXO had different results.
I know this article is outdated due to the heavy updates they did on the firmware (some of them because of this very article by the way). We will retest the camera as soon as Samsung provides it again and we have the time to conduct it.

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Sebastian Wöber April 23, 2015

We should have the NX1 and retest next week.

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Andrew Pledger April 27, 2015

Hopefully the results will be much more promising with the new profiles in the new firmware, I’m excited for the retest! Thanks for the heads up RE the video vs photo dynamic range, I had always assumed they were the same or at least similar.

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Matthew Hartman June 29, 2015

I use both the NX1 and Canon 5DM3. At work we have a brand new RED Phantom coupled with Canon L glass. So I’m not simply speaking out of the wrong orrafice here.

If you truly want to talk about mushy 1080 video look no further then the Canon 5DM3. Compared to the recent stuff on the camera scene its rather embarrasing for Canon I’d measure.

Of course, the RED takes both the Canon and NX1. But comes at a serious cost to get that. The differences really only matter to people in the business. Audiences are not that decerning and anal.

This review unfortunately puts the Canon above the NX1. Nope. Sorry guys. You’really doing something wrong in these tests. Screw dynamic range. Learn to light your scenes correctly and bring out your darks with light. Laziness.

That said, I’m glad you guys are leaving somewhat of an open door for the NX1 and it’s firmware updates. It shows you are open to change, even if you’re the last ones to embrace it. Some people come to church fighting. I get it.

Overall, the way I see it, this is the future of camera tech. You can either embrace it now or embrace it later.

The gap between prosumer and professional performance is closing expodentially. The lessor known brands like Samsung, are progressively hungry and not shy in taking on big name brands like Apple, let alone Canon. Samsung respectfully deserves more serious attention then it often recieves.

You both can’t sell me on the idea that you’d rather be lugging around bulky equipment if you don’t have to. Once you get over the penis envy of having the “best” gear, the bulky battle-tested crap feels more like a hindrance then a help, and you quickly realize you’ve been sold a bill. The small quality difference between all these cameras is not enough for me to justify the huge difference in the cost of doing business between them. I’d rather make a film and eat at the same time. And have less backaches to boot.

It’s simple. You learn the tool you have. Accenuate what it does best and work around what it lacks. Even the Phantom is not immuned from this. That’s the mark of a true pro/natural. Being able to do more with less. Nothing stops the creativity.

I’ve seen Phillip Bloom do better film on a Samsung Note 3 with a sensor smaller than a shirt button, than a lot of folks do with the big A’s and R’s. Now, what does that tell you about what the real priorities are in good film?

I’m glad we had this talk.

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Todd Gunn June 29, 2015

Well said.

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Matthew Hartman June 29, 2015

Thanks Todd.

I think what this really comes down to is that Samsung has been perceived “laughable” in the past by the “pros” that its just hard for some to admit to themselves that it’s actually a player in the current market.

Personally, I’m tired of hearing about Canon this, Nikon that, as if it’s the only legit platform for pros. It’s built up a sense of snobbery over the years towards other brands. The barrier of entry is relatively high and I guess that made some feel special. Always made me just feel poorer.

Well, guess what folks, the pooch just got screwed. It was so inevitable. Canon’s and Nikkon’s complacency were the writting on the walls. Allow it to play out naturally instead of being in denial.

This review on the NX1 is truly splitting hairs and it the grand scheme of things borders on ridiculous. These guys know damn well the camera is better then they’re willing to give full credit for.

Magic Lantern was a response to the lack of Canon firmware updates. Samsung, has already released 3 in less than a year and I wouldn’t be at all suprised if another is around the corner. That is how you keep your brand intact and customers loyal.

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Ron Soderlund June 29, 2015

I think you are very close to the truth there. I also think the 5d crew can anticipate more bad news in the near future. IF Samsung are serious about manufacturing a premium pro quality camera, well then they will. We must not forget that both Nikon and Canon together compared to Samsung is like a coffee shop vs General Electric. Needed resources will be there and brain-power can be purchased..
I understand that it can be difficult To accept a new kid on the block, particularly a kid who manufactures micro wave ovens and electric toothbrushes.
I have e a hunch that staying with Samsung and the NX1 might be a good idea. First camera series was just looking for target, the NX1 locked on target and NX2? Will fire…

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Matthew Hartman June 29, 2015

Spot on Ron.

“I understand that it can be difficult To accept a new kid on the block, particularly a kid who manufactures micro wave ovens and electric toothbrushes.”

Yes, it sounds silly to think that a manufacturer that makes the items above could make a viable pro-level camera. And that could possibly be true for a lot of companies out there.

However, in Samsung’s case, they have the money and R&D infrastructure to be a very strong force in this space. It’s not a matter of money, or even finding talent. It’s just a matter of will, and then organization/positioning.

Apple pokes fun at Samsung, but it’s been it’s number one competitor in the smartphone space spanning years in the making, that could even come close to Apple. All the other smartphone OEMS combined don’t have Samsung’s clout in the market.

Additionally, Samsung is now under new management. It will be interesting to see what the young son does going forward. Typically, youth is associated with an innovative spirit and I’m hoping that’s the case.

My broader point being, just like Canon and Nikkon, it’s consumers underestimate competing companies like Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Pentax, Olympus, Blackmagic, and now Samsung. The one main difference being that Samsung as a whole, is a far more profitable company than the others, including Canon and Nikkon. Which means throwing more dollars at more resources. Basic math.

Samsung is not the correct company to underestimate. Keep your eye on this trajectory. If Samsung continues in this space, expect big things now and to come.

BTW, in no way am I implying that the NX1 isn’t a solid platform as it is today. If this is Samsung’s first attempt, watch out!

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Zlatan Bogdanski June 30, 2015

Big laugh Hartman , this is future, buy now or buy later. Then buy later when good. This topic is not about skill of photographer, it is about review of camera. NX1 has big drawbacks, damage to busy workflow due to transcode issue (buy later), short flange distance precludes speedbooster ever, colours burnt in (buy later), poor ISO performance (buy later), poor range and expensive lens collection ( buy later), use of unsupported codec is what you mean by progressive? (Buy later) . Your advice is buy phone and develop better skill. Working in shop with many cameras does not prevent talking out of wrong orrifice.

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Todd Gunn June 30, 2015

Why does it need a speedbooster, it’s not a small m43 sensor. It’s super 35 which is the preferred size sensor for cinema. Do you edit footage straight out of the camera? Most comparable cameras do not record to an edit friendly codec so transcoding was being done already. Fast glass and lighting solve any ISO deficiencies, and the ISO is quite sufficient. Expensive lenses? Seriously? How much do cinema lenses cost? Adapters are available for just about any lens you choose to use. Unsupported codec? But more efficient and it’s a matter of time before it’s supported by everything. Samsung has released more updates to this camera in 6 months than Canon ever did for all of the cameras I owned, including 5D2 and 3, 60D, and 70D. Very few new features were ever offered. Samsung has listened to the community and acted accordingly. And timely. Who else gives that kind of support? Your arguments don’t add up to a bad camera but a biased user.

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Ron Soderlund June 30, 2015

Agree with you Todd

A camera boby is just a single part of a system. I personally believe in the system which means I might invest a lot of money in lenses, etc. – Why not invest in the NX1 which is still, for my needs, the best money can get in the price range, still very comfortable with the knowledge that the next generation will be even better. I am pretty convinced that if you changed the Samsung label to Canon the test results would have been even greater..and like Todd mentioned we see continuously new firmware updates, which unlike Canon’s policy, repairing faults, in SS case updates make huge improvements on the camera’s performance and utility.

Just a few words to Zlatan: No camera is flawless. Nor even the NX1..The Canon series 5D2 and 3 are for me completely worthless, doesn’t matter if IQ superior. The combination with fixed screen and my bloody bad knees aren’t compatible. It is like a car test..we can not get a good test result until the various pro/cons are transformed into your personal valuation table

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Zlatan Bogdanski June 30, 2015

Todd, you must have a small gun, just kidding, Zlatan knows best, should stop talking loud and listen. NX s glass is below average and expensive, only two of them. Anyway only fools use NX glass. Many men have Canon or Nikon glass of super qualitette, if the booster would fit, then you get good fullframe, increase speed and big rangeof glass. Anyways listen up, I buy NX1, I used for 3 months, I sell. Many better Cameras and glass, if NX1 is good in the future, buy in future. By the way, if your poor, can buy good Cinema B4 on eBay 300 euros if you keep eyes sharp. Video with normal glass always look like a home movie, which is good if you want a home movie. Transcoding this garbage makes you want to jump off bridge, how much film do you process, one hour per week ha ha!

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Matthew Hartman June 30, 2015

Zlatan, you sold your NX1 after only 3 months of use? Ah ok. I see what we’re dealing with here. You’re one of those. Sigh.

Look, the fact is 9 out of 10 reviews on this camera are extremely positive. And I think that speaks volumes. Perhaps what you see as flaws, others see as strengths? Do you honestly and truly think that H.265 won’t be a standard in the very near future? Has the history of H.264 not taught you anything?

I think it’s odd that some folks complain about transcoding when that’s been a process that has been done for years. But now that you have to do it with a Samsung product, oh lord help us all.

Expensive Samsung lens you gripe. Are you kiddding me? How much is Canon L glass compared to Samsung S glass?

Go ahead, say the two aren’t compareable speed and quality wise. Please write that so we can read those words into the future and just shake our heads at you for years to come. Seriously, give me absolute break dude.

On side side note I just learned that the NX1 actually has a 6K sensor, capable of 240 fps. Holy crap. Can anyone say RED?

It’s possible that someone (with the released SDK) or even Samsung will open that up and give those of us that stuck with the NX1 (longer than 3 months that is) use of the full sensor. Maybe it will never happen. But it’s nice to know it’s even an option.

Magic Lantern…Now that’s what I call a “big laugh”. So you get RAW 1080. Wow. Now that’s what I call NOT future proofing a system.

See, I believe Samsung knows exactly what they are doing with this camera. It may have some perceived “limitations” out the gate. But unlike Canon and Nikon, the camera keeps getting better with time because Samsung left hooks. But you wouldn’t exactly know this after your 3 month ownership.

Please Zlatan, stick with Canon and Nikon. It leaves the rest of us with more NX1s to be had.

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Zlatan Bogdanski June 30, 2015

You make too many assumptions, I use Sony A7 and Panasonic GH4’s and others, no longer Canon, I gave NX1 a good and comprehensive on job review, when you say one of those, do you mean somebody who thoroughly tests equipment before deciding on investment… Yes I am, I live today not in future. I have many Canon lenses, you don’t need L glass to compete with NX S lens, cheap Canikon competes well, I experience many issues with ISO stability, over heating, blocking issues, impossible to get good colour grades quickly but worst problem is noise at low ISO, this is last straw, even worse than GH4. When Samsung becomes Camera you want it to be, I will buy. You get very personal, do you have shares in Samsung? What do you care who make camera, Japan or Korea? If Ford Motor Company make good enough camera I will buy. Lightweight mirrorless is future, best now is Sony, I test those and decide to keep, Samsung went home, fair and honest and impartial assessment against my needs. Big consideration is existing glass ownership too, unlike Andrew Reid and you, I give opinion not issue instruction.

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Matthew Hartman June 30, 2015

“You make too many assumptions, I use Sony A7 and Panasonic GH4’s and others, no longer Canon, I gave NX1 a good and comprehensive on job review, when you say one of those, do you mean somebody who thoroughly tests equipment before deciding on investment…”

You’re 100% right. I made some assumptions that you were a Canon/Nikon snob. It’s an automatic defense for me because by far the people that put the NX1 down are Canon/Nikon snobs. Then again, they put everyone else down too. I apologize for the assumptions.

To clarify what I meant about “One of those” was mainly a person that goes through cameras with the belief that the camera makes the film/video and not the person behind it. The way I see it is there are two breeds in this industry. The gear geeks/snobs, and then real filmmakers, whom aren’t intimidated with using new tools as they hit the market.

I’m not sure I would classify a thorough test period as 3 months and 3 firmware updates later. But that’s just me. Obviously, everyone has their own threshold and tolerance level.

“Yes I am, I live today not in future.”

Normally, I would advise everyone live in the now. However, not when it comes to photo/video gear. The reason why is because modern tech moves at the speed of lighting. This wasn’t the case when Canon and Nikon (and others) came on the scene, even 2 years ago. Let’s be honest. Camera gear is expensive. I make an awesome living, yet still find that camera gear is expensive. Some people, such as myself will stick with a camera for a good 3-6 years if applicable, simply because I don’t have the extra cash laying around to go to a different camera every year. I want a camera that has some growth factors built in. From what I can see, the NX1 leads that charter in a way that no current camera on the market (today) can. So many reviews echo these statements.

I experience many issues with ISO stability, over heating, blocking issues, impossible to get good colour grades quickly but worst problem is noise at low ISO, this is last straw, even worse than GH4.

Learn to properly make up for ISO stability with proper lighting techniques. This is photography/cinematography 101. I find so many modern gear-heads fail to first understand this, second to employ it.

The NX1 never claimed it was a high ISO camera. It never claimed to be a Sony AS7. Then again, NO other camera has the high ISO IQ if the Sony AS7.

Now when you say that the GH4 has better ISO performance I really question the level of honesty you’re sharing with us. I’ve seen test after test that the NX1 outperforms the GH4 on high ISO IQ. The NX1 comes out slightly on top of the GH4. Definitely not below it. In fact, the GH4 produces noise even at ISO 200. I find this a very ridiculous/suspect claim.

“You get very personal, do you have shares in Samsung? What do you care who make camera, Japan or Korea? If Ford Motor Company make good enough camera I will buy.”

I don’t have shares in Samsung, nor am I affiliated with them in any way. In fact, I work at Microsoft, in which Samsung is a competitor in various spaces. I too don’t care where a good camera comes from. No one owns the patent on IQ. That is why I got the NX1, which I enjoy far more then the Canon 5DM3, which feels very outdated in comparison.

I did my research, and the NX1 gives me the IQ and performance I’m looking for. That being said, I realize it’s just a tool, right?

There’s inherent instruction in all opinion, a bit passive aggressive. I am no different than you, or anyone else in that regard.

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Zlatan Bogdanski July 1, 2015

Good balanced reply, unlike Gunn. My opinion is honest, noise is not always bad, Samsung noise is irregular and begins low, very difficult to remove and leave clean, GH4 very easy. Lighting is good in some scenes not others, I am not expert (I work post production, never taken a professional image in my life), I can make better end product with GH4 data.

Samsung APS-C is not advantage, big heavy glass. Take S 16-50mm, huge, not even fixed aperture and CA bad for this price, my half the price Tron 24-70mm is better all round, this is honest opinion and everybody knows, is it good enough for most, yes if rich. Best Samsung is 45mm for 200 euro, that is it, rest average.

MFT have tiny light lens, easily adaptable body and excellent IQ, Sony same, good full frame IQ same size and weight as Samsung with no compromise and best sensors. A7r II will be end game for 4k except for them who have spent up on NX1 and S Lens

Gunn sells 5D3 for NX1, he is comedian

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Todd Gunn July 1, 2015

” I am not expert “. You don’t say.

Zlatan Bogdanski July 1, 2015

I do say, you should not kid yourselve either. I anyway don’t believe you change a 5D3 for NX1 just like I don’t change my Mercedes for Hyundai unless I become mental illness :-)

Todd Gunn July 1, 2015

Well, I guess because YOU don’t believe it, it must not be so. See if this helps you understand why I did what I did. http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GH4-versus-Samsung-NX1___795_943_976

Zlatan Bogdanski July 1, 2015

Ha ha, stop my stomach hurts, Zlatan hopes you didn’t use DXO score to sell 5d3 to buy NX1, look up Tony Northrup guide on why not to do that ! Its like Zlatan asking metallurgist whether to buy Aston Martin or Ferarri. But to get real, I know it’s embarrassing to make biggest mistake but I let you down easy. NX1 not complete waste of money, I repeat (again) it is not as good as others that is all, and not that cheap anyways for what you are getting, as they say not biggest bangs for bucks. You can make good movies but waste a lot of time in post production. GH4 now has flat log profile, not little gamma, NX1 not this not that really, but Zlatan want to be friends with Gunn, so I say it is good enough, but keep eye balls on Sony and listen for my tips, ok, be cold.

Matthew Hartman July 1, 2015

You do know that the NX1 is Tony Northrup’s favorite mirrorless right? The guy is constantly raving about it on his show.

Zlatan, it’s very difficult to take what you say about the NX1 with any seriousness if you don’t even shoot with it. Color correction/grading is half the equation. How are we sure your videographers are skilled enough with lighting principles? Or if they’re skilled enough in general?

Tony Northrup puts the NX1 above the GH4 for ISO performance. But because Zlatan does not, we should trust you? A guy that doesn’t even use the camera? Dude, common, stop this silliness. You’re just ruffling feathers here.

Zlatan Bogdanski July 1, 2015

Tony is wedding photographer, very good Teacher but does not work in post production on large gig. I remind you, I give opinion not instructions, naturally I see things from a different viewpoint. I don’t choose Camera operators I work with. That is a shame for my employers but that is life. Tony make his first mistake, noise is ugly on NX1, if this is what you mean by ISO performance. I guess he does not use NX1, but I don’t know him, I trust what you say until I know different.

Todd Gunn July 1, 2015

My Momma warned about people who speak of themselves in the third person. Didn’t Zlatan say Zlatan doesn’t shoot anything? Gunn make photo and makes movies. Gunn shoots. Gunn Edits. Gunn special effects. Gunn does this all the time. 5D3 great camera. Good for low light and shallow dof. That’s it. NX1 does so much more. 120fps. 15fps. 4k. Best autofocus Gunn ever seen. Use about anything as remote control and monitoring. Don’t miss 5D3. Still use Canon glass. Gunn love firmware updates. NX1 keeps getting better. 5D3 does not. Ok enough with the caveman talking. Zlatan go find another review besides THIS one where the GH4 fared better than the NX1. I’ll wait.

Zlatan Bogdanski July 2, 2015

Your Momma probably only speaks English, it’s normal in other languages, I speak five languages, when I am tired I get lazy especially when I write from a device. Please don’t take it personal, rather than look for good or bad reviews, try to find people who use Samsung for serious work, maybe this will change but now, I know nobody. I joke with you, you are happy with your choice, I am happy for you, I have a good heart.

Matthew Hartman July 2, 2015

Guys, let’s leave eachother’s mothers out of this. There’s no need to go to that level over a camera.

Zlatan, 5 languages huh? I’m legitimately impressed. That’s no easy task.

I think this all comes down to this. Some like the NX1. I myself am one of those people. Some, simply do not. And for me, that’s okay.

I get a little defensive when people make claims that I know from experience are not true. However, I’m not willing to berate the point in which it becomes a camera over another human being.

Kudos to all!

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Todd Gunn July 1, 2015

Ok Zlatan, listen up. I buy 5d mark 2. I sell. I buy 5D mark 3. I sell. I buy NX1. I keep. Glass just as good. Don’t want to see size of my gun.

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Matthew Hartman July 1, 2015

You’re not the only person to go from Canon to the NX1.

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Todd Gunn July 1, 2015

I still have my 70D since both are APS-C and a few of my Canon lenses. I also have adapters for the NX1 to use just about every kind of lens out there except PL.

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Fozzy Mantague July 1, 2015

Zlatan, are you the same Zlatan B that was PPS on Man of Hope?

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Zlatan Bogdanski July 1, 2015

Ha ha, no Fozzy, I work for my money, I did consulting Ed, but I only do Edit and Color, old big shots want Ed or Color, crazy, this is the digital world now, they don’t listen to Zlatan.

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Todd Gunn July 1, 2015

I’m curious oh great one who doesn’t use cameras. If someone brings you footage form a 5D3, do you edit it as is or convert it to prores?

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Zlatan Bogdanski July 2, 2015

I use cameras daily, mostly LX100, I don’t use them professionally. Nobody ever brings, but when I test it would be 5d3 raw magic – dng – davinici-Apple pro res – FCPx. Normally I go to client, normally they use Avid, has problems but everybody wants it. I am back at work now if you need help I review at end of my day. I don’t think you care for my advices !

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Todd Gunn July 2, 2015

Do you really think the workflow you just mentioned is simpler than transcoding H.265? That pretty much kills the whole takes too long argument.

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Matthew Hartman July 2, 2015

But wait Todd, it’s from the 5DM3, so it makes it all ok. No one has the time to wait for Samsung and it’s stupid true cinema 4k. Right? I mean, who is Samsung anyway? Pffft.

Sometimes I’m so fed up with the people in this industry. Once they get a little credit under their name they become total pretentious gearheads. This has happened to many colleagues of mine as well. It reminds me of the fanboyism you see in the smartphone industry. It’s just all ridiculous how some people get their identity all wrapped up in a product as if it were some extension of their very being.

How spoiled have we become when even a common smartphone video looks better than anything made in the 80’s and below. And yet we still pick at a level which comes off as so pompous and ungrateful that if as so much one tiny pixel is off, a whole camera is basically deemed worthless. Where’s the passion for the craft, not just the craftmen’s toolbox? Seems like the more techiclogical we get, the more we lose imagination and ingenuity. We are definitely far less genuine.

Samsung seems to always be ridiculed as a manufacturer, yet they are one of the richest corporations in existence. Far more profitable than Canon and Nikon put together. Plus they work with a ton of partners, such as Sony and Apple, at the same time remarkably competiting with them.

Yes, sometimes they over-feature a product, which generally translates as somewhat gimmicky. But I see them as progressively trying to give people what they want. Let’s face it, that equates to more profit in the end.

Despite the negative comments on this board about the NX1, I still strongly feel it’s not only a viable contender in the pro space, it’s actually one of the best, and one hell of a value. It is both strong in stills and video. The GH4 and Sony cant claim that.

I feel Samsung deserves way more credit and attention for a job well done on this camera. It does sadden me to see people rag on it and dimmiss it most likely because the label reads Samsung.

So spoiled.

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Todd Gunn July 2, 2015

Well I put my money where my mouth was. I’m into the NX1 for the long haul. The 5D3 was a great camera, but not keeping up with what I want to do. If even 25% of reviews agreed with these guys, I’d be concerned. Not even close. Outside of this page, it is the greatest innovation seen in years for a camera at this level. I only stick around because I like to debate.

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Fozzy Mantague July 2, 2015

Yes it does of course slow the workflow down, I think you guys should form an NX1 appreciation society. Forums like these are for genuinely debating, I love this camera but he is right in what he says, your rude and silly comments are adding nothing to that. You have made a choice that is good enough for your needs and don’t want to hear any criticisms, he said it was a good camera but that there are better in his opinion. I am amazed Zlatan wastes his time discussing his thoughts with you at all, if I were as accomplished as he, I wouldn’t, he is almost a legend in the movie industry, though outspoken!

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Ron Soderlund July 2, 2015

Fozzy – What I and most likely Matthew as well are arguing about is the fact that Zlatan’s critics doesn’t make sense. He gives the impression to turn down the NX1, not because it is necessarily a bad camera but a not approved brand.
I have owned Eos mk2, mk3 A7, A7R, A7S and a bunch of other cameras. For my needs the NX1 is superior. Perhaps if I planned to shoot Gone with the wind Part 2 I would have selected another camera, but for my particular semi-pro needs the NX1 is extremely suitable, especially combining the IQ video AND stills, needs of additional gear like Shogun, etc..well NX1 is the one I kept, and the other ended up in the bin.
80-90% of the, most likely anti-SS biased, test reports says this is a REALLY GOOD camera, probably the best non-FF ever produced.
Zlatan might be a legend. Just for your information I have worked as a photo editor for 23 years, on most agencies including the AP. I have worked closely with Pulitzer price winners, and with all respect, Z doesn’t sound like one of them..

Fozzy Mantague July 2, 2015

Apart from making a few not well received jokes, did he not say it was a good camera, but that there were better about “in his opinion”, he stressed this many times. I don’t think he is against Samsung at all, in fact he specifically states he doesn’t care who makes his camera, he checked it out, and decided to go Sony but he doesn’t defend Sony like its a blood relative, not on this forum anyway. But his criticisms do make sense, you can make similar criticisms about most cameras mind you, and I am sure he would. The discussion should be about the relative benefits, I chose the NX1 because of the excitement around its release and the technology but I don’t use it for video because of the codec hassles, and I wouldn’t replace my D800 with it. I doubt Z would accept a pulitzer prize if offered, but in any case I am not his apologist, but I don’t like the way you guys have written to him, very poor form indeed, nobody would dare venture a negative opinion with you guys around.

Charles Morse July 2, 2015

I have to agree Fozzy, disgraceful behaviour. Forums are for exchanging views and opinions, not closing people down who disagree, what is this, Soviet Russia?

Todd Gunn July 2, 2015

You guys are hilarious coming in on the tail end and making judgements. Start at the top, then judge.

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Todd Gunn July 2, 2015

A legend you say….Hmmm I should be so honored.

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Todd Gunn July 2, 2015

BTW, there already is an NX1 appreciation society. It’s called the rest of the camera world.

Fozzy Mantague July 2, 2015

Give it a rest Todd, being a prize pillock won’t win you any awards whatever camera you buy.

Todd Gunn July 2, 2015

Uh Fozzy , is it? I suggest you go back and read how all of this started before you start defending or castigating anyone. We were having a pretty reserved debate before your buddy chimed in with his “jokes”. Didn’t sound at all like jokes to me. This is the same guy that said “the GH4 is far better all round.” Really? Find a review that agrees with that? You call US rude? That’s funny. He basically trashed the NX1 the entire thread but you want to come riding in here like a white knight to the defense of a guy you don’t know claiming he didn’t say that. He then called me a liar when I made it clear I dumped a 5D3 in favor of the NX1. So you can kiss my butt. or whatever the hell a pillock is…

Fozzy Mantague July 2, 2015

Oh dear, yes anything you say old chap.

Charles Morse July 2, 2015

Oh I say, Quod erat demonstrandum I believe.

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Matthew Hartman July 2, 2015

I’m happy that Zlatan is accomplished. At work, I rub elbows with many whom are extremely accomplished, but that’s not really the point.

The point is I know a solid camera when I see one. Some of Zlatan’s (and others) assessments don’t add up to my experiences and the many experiences of others that own and appreciate this camera. The way it was portrayed makes it sound completely unuseable, and that to me sounds very pompous and discriminatory, let alone outright bogus.

I’m still sticking around to read the re-review after the firmware upgrades. I’m starting to feel like that’s not coming anytime soon or if at all.

It’s not just this site that compells me to defend this Camera. It’s the general attitude amongst some professionals that automatically dismiss the NX1 simply because Samsung makes it. If the GH4 was as exceptional as the NX1, I would be defending Panasonic.

I think people get brand blinded in this industry towards companies like Canon and Nikon. These companies produced great cameras for their time but they are not as relavent to me as a lot of pros posture.

Zlatan mocking Todd for giving up his 5DM3 for the NX1, represents exactly the general attitude I’m speaking about. If you read far enough back it was Zlatan whom started mocking people for their choice to go with the NX1. It wasn’t until Zlatan was met with a flood of his own medicine that Zlatan started curving his approach.

I sense a strong level of instant denial when speaking to these pros about other brands, especially the NX1 that are seriously pushing the envelope. Luckily, for every 1 critism about this camera there are 10 whom strongly support it. I would imagine Samsung would see that as encouraging.

I admit it’s a personal pet peeve of mine. I’ve always had the underdog spirit since I was a small boy. I like to root for the underdog, in this case Samsung. I like to see the underdog achieve the success it is working hard to achieve. I love to see when companies whether big or small are hungry and determined to shake up the norm and crush assumptions.

The problem here isn’t that this site offered merely a unbiased benchmark. They also added their personal opinions which will inherently open the discussion up for others to chime in with theirs.

Some of the original claims about this camera are simply bogus enough that it virtually demands counter opinions. This review was baited from the very first post and I wouldn’t be suprised if it was company sponsored. If so, it was a complete fail in my mind.

H.265 will be widely supported soon. I suspect when it does we’re going to find out its a revoluntionary codec. Reviews like these will shrink into the background.

Samsung’s R&D people are not stupid. They employ some of the brightest people from all around the world and that department is a huge resource for the company. They obviously see something that the rest of us have yet to find out.

Charles Morse July 2, 2015

I think we know where you stand Matthew. I simply don’t know anybody who seriously uses the NX1 apart from reviewers, not one, even well known reviewers don’t use it after they’ve reviewed it. To be honest, after the initial furore last year, I don’t use mine much either. The GH4 is simply the workhorse of this part of the industry. Most people that use this site, if they use mirrorless or DSLR at all, will have a number of cameras, but once your heavily invested in lenses, you are to some extent stuck with it. A thing about companies like Sony and Samsung, they have so many product lines, they can shut them down as quickly as opening them, and that can change with the switch of an executive, so I would tread with caution, and thats why people tend to follow the crowds.

Matthew Hartman July 3, 2015

My gosh, a simple youtube search would yield plenty of examples. Plenty of working professionals, companies like B&H, common reviewers, example footage, etc., etc. With exception of this blog, I have rarely seen a negative review about the NX1. Either you’re in denial, or just plain lazy and indiffetent. However, I’ve seen plenty of negative reviews on the GH4.

I’m not opposed to people pointing out flaws or improvements, I’m actually on that band wagon myself. Hey, all cameras have their flaws and could always be improved upon. But to say the camera is basically unuseable is just a bunch of grade A horse shat. It comes off completely ridiculous when the majority of people say the opposite.

To say that the GH4 has better ISO performance has been proven multiple times to be untrue from various unaffiliated sources. The GH4 is not a suitable stills camera. The NX1 performs exceptionally well at stills and video, making it a better all around value. And that Bokeh!

The GH4 suffers from noise even at ISO 200. I seen this reported countless times on the internet from GH4 owners themselves when I was researching different cameras to purchase. In fact, that was the most common thing I read of GH4 owners wanting Panasonic to address. I’ve seen countless test footage both stand alone and in comparison to other cameras. Noise. And plenty of it.

Generally, I would expect noise to start at ISO 1600 like most cameras and like the NX1. However, ISO 200 with noise? That is not what I would consider a work horse. I don’t even know if I’d consider that a viable B camera. In well lit situations I can probably get better ISO performance on my Note 4.

In what way either on paper or in practice is the GH4 better than the NX1?
Don’t even come back with lens selection. There’s so many adapters out there, it’s such a b.s. argument. Peak focusing on the NX1 even works with manual lenes from other OEMs.

It’s definitely not the MFT sensor over the back-illuminated super16 the NX1 has. That basic math.

The GH/GH4 series has been out longer than the NX1, of course you’re going to see more of them out in the field. Isn’t that a bit obvious dude? The NX1 is now starting to gain it’s momentum.

Todd Gunn July 3, 2015

Save your breath bro, there is clearly an agenda here. I’ve given up. Don’t throw rope to people standing on chairs…

Charles Morse July 3, 2015

These sites are for wasting your breath on these topics, you seem to want to control what people say and think.

Todd Gunn July 3, 2015

Absolutely not. Read what I said. Do the research. 1+1 does not equal 2 here.

Todd Gunn July 3, 2015

I didn’t come here to be insulting, but I will respond to it. If you really care look at how it started. If not…

Charles Morse July 3, 2015

1) “a simple youtube search would yield plenty of examples.” I said I don’t know one person (and I know a lot of real ones) , not some virtual people off the internet.
2) “I have rarely seen a negative review about the NX1. Either you’re in denial”, in denial of what, even Zlatan said it was a good camera, I think it is a good camera, we say at the moment there are better.
3) “But to say the camera is basically unuseable”, who said this ?
4) “majority of people say the opposite”, opposite of what, did you do a survey?
5) “The GH4 is not a suitable stills camera”. to use your language, this is grade horse shat (whatever that is)
6) “NX1 performs exceptionally well at stills and video”, yes I think we agree, just not the best at either.
7) “And that Bokeh”, this is related to the lens and aperture settings, sadly not many to choose from for now with the NX1.
8) “GH4 suffers from noise even at ISO 200”, all cameras suffer from noise at all ISO’s, it is only noticeable in certain situations. You like the internet, Tony Northrup saying the NX1 sensor is no better than the GH4, and it it is twice as big, so it should be !( https://youtu.be/iZuxo2ZFz_g )
9) “I would expect noise to start at ISO 1600 like most cameras and like the NX1.” nonsense, the A7s starts at ISO 104,000 my A7 starts becoming noticeable at 6400.
10) “In well lit situations I can probably get better ISO performance on my Note 4”, this undermines everything you have said, lets not be silly.
11) “Don’t even come back with lens selection”, why not, probably the number one reason for choosing a camera system. The poor design of the NX1, means zero adapters (see Northrup video) that can talk to the camera.
12) “In what way either on paper or in practice is the GH4 better than the NX1?”, smaller, better lens selection and adaptation, speed boosting options, more control over video features and V Log S. But don’t ask me, ask Tony Northrup and Camera Store TV guy Jordan, they are on twitter.
13) “It’s definitely not the MFT sensor over the back-illuminated super16 the NX1 has. That basic math”. In Tony Northrup’s video, he specifically mentions that the NX1 sensor is no better than the GH4, and specifically that the GH4 sensor is, and I quote ‘punching above its weight’.
14) “The GH/GH4 series has been out longer than the NX1, of course you’re going to see more of them out in the field. Isn’t that a bit obvious dude? ” But I thought you said everybody is using the NX1? Are you now saying everybody is using the GH4 but eventually they will all switch to the NX1? Maybe your right, who can tell the future, maybe the GH5 will blow the NX1 or NX2 out of the water, who knows, certainly not us.
15) “The NX1 is now starting to gain it’s momentum.” so whats this? are you now predicting the future or is it a case of women intuition?

You seem to be creating an argument with yourself, or not reading what people are saying.

Todd Gunn July 3, 2015

I’m too tired to address all of this especially since it’s not directed to me, but “zero adapters”? I think I have 7 adapters for the NX1, some for old vintage glass.

Todd Gunn July 3, 2015

My bad, I missed the “can talk to the camera” part. I said I was tired…

Ron Soderlund
Ron Soderlund July 3, 2015

My Sony A7S and Canon glas talked now and then through Metabones adapter. Sometimes focus, sometimes IS and the happy days both worked. Anyone accepting this has no idea what professional use is..This thread is getting a life of its own. Let us all agree, a good videographer kills opposition with an NX1- Same if he got a GH4 – 4K has come to stay which puts the Canon Mk2, 3 in the hall of fame together with the DC3. A milestone in the development of a product, but badly outdated today.

Matthew Hartman July 3, 2015

Yeah, I’m with Todd. This is pointless. It’s my fault for getting swept up in this utter silliness. I’ve pushed points, conceded others and have absolutely nothing to show for it except for wasted time and energy. Some of the claims here are just blantantly false or outdated. We’ll just leave it at that.

At any rate, happy shooting all. See you on the flip.

Fozzy Mantague July 3, 2015

Its never pointless, and never a waste of time. You put a good comprehensive list of thoughts together Matthew, and Charles has addressed each point to the best of his knowledge, we’ve all hopefully learned something from that. As Tony Benn (British Parliamentarian) once said of the houses of parliament, “There is no right or wrong, just a forum for debate”, and that’s what we’re doing here. In my view, better to be passionate about your work, than not care one way or the other !

Sebastian Wöber
Sebastian Wöber July 3, 2015

Guys please give it a break now. This conversation is ridiculous and I find it borderline disrespectful.
We do regard Samsung as a very interesting brand for video and we especially respect their efforts in firmware updates which are beyond comparison. See latest one: https://www.cinema5d.com/samsung-nx500-video-quality-firmware-update/
Also I’m sorry we haven’t revisited the NX1, we had it in office for a short time but one of the lab lights broke down and we had to get a new one which we didn’t in time… But we haven’t forgotten it, just many projects on the radar right now. Recently we transitioned the whole website to SSL, which you didn’t otice on the outside but what a huge undertaking on the inside. We hope we can do good, but really, we have little funds, little manpower and a LOT of work. Trying!

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David Hedrick December 18, 2015

The authors are obviously offended by comments on this review, but I think the comments are justified.
The settings used to do the testing severely handicapped the camera, making it an unfair comparison as noted by many people.
Even so, many other reviews find this camera producing similar or better video than any competitor, so the methods and motives are suspect, regardless of the methodology.
The fact that the error has been pointed out many times and there is no action to correct it or qualify the review stating the error or limitations of the methods of the tesing are supporting the allegations of bias.
Excuses of being busy are not justification.
How long does it take to change a couple sentences in a review?
Here’s a short answer; a lot faster than getting all offended and arguing people in the comments.
The comments have more substance and information than the article, mostly coming from pee that disagree with the article, but the quantity of the authors comments is baffling given the excuse of being too busy.
I bought the NX1 & will get it in the mail in the next couple days.
After that I’ll reply to the article itself rather than the comments section.
Neither should be allowed to go unopposed or untested.

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Matthew Hartman December 18, 2015

“In my observation Samsung tried something bold with the NX1, and they should get credit for that, but they couldn’t quite achieve something that I would call usable. There are some major issues with this camera and I would not recommend it for video shooting (yet)”

When the above is your opening statement it pretty much sums up how these guys feel about the NX1.

They’re not alone. I’ve seen other popular camera tech reviewers/channels do a similar thing. They reviewed the NX1 pre the latest couple firmware updates and never bothered to update their reviews after the firmware, which those of us that did know the updates added a lot of corrections and functionality. Or have chosen not to acknowledge the NX1 altogether, which I find very odd.

Honestly, I feel the camera challenges a lot of the assumptions and conventions that exist about the current state of camera tech. I think what it shows is that these guys are put in the awkward position of having to explain why a $1,200 camera from a manufacturer who also makes refrigerators and microwaves can stick it to the likes of the big boys in Japan, whom so many have large investments tied up with.

In my mind, Samsung is like the Microsoft of the computing world. Not perceived as sexy brand as someone like Apple, but somehow still widely more successful.

I would say having a sexy camera would mean a lot to me if I were to make love with it, but that’s not why I buy a camera. I’m in love with my art and craft and use whatever tool that helps me acheive it.

For the author to say the NX1 is barely useable only reflects how barely useable his review and camera knowledge of the NX1 is to me.

Don’t worry. If Canon or Nixon does buy out the NX1 brand or guts, you will see these same guys doing backflips. As long as they don’t have to say the S word right? :)

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Sebastian Wöber December 23, 2015

Hello everyone,
We realize that this review is outdated. It was conducted with the first firmware of 2014. We know the review doesn’t reflect the current state with new firmwares, but we cannot amend it based on comments by users. We would have to re-test the camera.
As Samsung has discontinued this camera and it is no longer available we are not able re-test it!
Some of you are offended that this article is outdated. Not everything in the internet can always be kept up to date, we’re sorry for the inconvenience and hope the disclaimer in the article will do for now.

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Todd Gunn December 23, 2015

Discontinued? No longer available? You mean THIS camera featured prominently on there website? http://www.samsung.com/us/photography/digital-cameras/EV-NX1ZZZBMBUS

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Todd Gunn December 23, 2015

That is to say “Their”

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Todd Gunn December 23, 2015

Sebastian, firmware updates were available at the time you originally made that same claim to me back in March. It is now December and you want to claim that you can’t get an updated camera to correct your results? It would appear you had no interest in doing this given the amount of time that has gone by and the obvious interest shown after your review. If this is your position, I would have to take any review you do with a grain of salt, since that smacks of more of the same bias against this camera. Respectfully, you really can’t expect to be taken seriously as reviewers if you allow this to stand. If you want, I can forward about a dozen places you can obtain an NX1 since you think they are no longer available.

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Sebastian Wöber December 23, 2015

Hi Todd,
At the time I wrote my last comment I also tried to get this camera one more time, but I preferred to surprise should we get it. We’re based in Europe, so I guess it’s a bit harder here.
Also, to conduct a lab review takes no less than 5 hours and we’re working off a very slim budget and with highly limited time here at cinema5D. We’re used to the fact that people don’t appreciate what we do, but the expectations in this article go a bit beyond reality.
You can believe me that we’re taking the comments very seriously and have debated this topic numerous times, but have a lot on our plate and while interest in this camera might be high in this particular comment section, the true interest is very low.
There is no bias against this camera. Since the firmware updates I had high hopes and was looking forward to coming back to the NX1. I also mentioned it in our Leica SL lab test we published today: https://www.cinema5d.com/leica-sl-review-part-2-lab-test/
It seems you have much more time than me. I wish you a happy and relaxed holiday season.
Seb

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Todd Gunn December 24, 2015

I would think 9 months was enough time for just about anyone on the planet. But then, I didn’t decide to start a website to review cameras. I just use one. I don’t know HOW all of those other guys manage it. Oh well…

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Matthew Hartman February 12, 2016

Hey Todd, and those whom it concearns. I’ve been chatting with a talented videographer living in S.Korea and who is heavily invested in the NX1, and according to news there Samsung is apparently looking to Samyang to continue to build out the Samsung NX lens line, instead of the previous German company that built out the existing ones.

If true there’s several ways to read this in my mind.

1.) Samsung is looking for buyers, so it can exit without totally dropping the tech and it’s existing customers.

2.) Samsung is planning a build up towards a predescor camera and is first making sure it has the lens selection it needs to gather the industry attention it failed to catch with the NX1 & NX500 lens lineup.

IF a NX2 is in our future, Canon and Nikon users better brace themselves for a royal butt-fruckin of a lifetime. Samsung has gained some considerable R&D sensor tech since the release of the NX1.

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Fozzy Mantague December 24, 2015

This is not spin in Europe. Those of us based in europe need to know that Samsung are pulling out of the european market before making a buying decision. In the US and elsewhere, Samsung Cameras may still be viable and you need to make your own decision on that, but stock has gone now in Europe, thats the reality.

Here is Samsung official statement to EOSHD an influential blog.

http://www.eoshd.com/2015/11/official-statement-samsung-withdraws-from-camera-market-in-germany/#prettyPhoto

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David Anderegg December 28, 2015

Ok, I just updated to Premiere Pro CC 2015.1, and I am absolutely loving it! No more transcoding using RockyMountains Movie Converter. The best part of all the speculation behind the Samsung NX cameras is that the equipment is going down in cost. For a true “run-in-gun” hybrid camera with fast video auto-focus, this is the right camera!