Canon C100 Mark II Review (pre-production) – Exclusive Footage

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Due to the relatively short time we had we couldn’t answer all the questions we had, especially the more scientific ones. Those will be answered at a later stage when we get a production camera and evaluate it in our testing labs.

In anticipation of Canon’s updated line of “C” cameras, the C100 mkII landed on our desk. Indeed, it’s not a 4K camera, but for sure a it’s more refined and matured version of its predecessor. One that many filmmakers on a budget and freelances who are servicing TV broadcasters will be happy to adapt. I guess if you own the original model you won’t rush to replace it but if you are in the market for a solid working horse then the new Canon C100 mkII is a safe bet.

The list of improvements over the original Canon C100 is rather large. MP4 recording, 1080 50/60P in up to 35 Mbps data rate, an OLED screen, a new high resolution EVF and an overall new placement of buttons just to name a few.

I guess my biggest concern when working with the new camera is the way to achieve slow motion (50/60p) recording. Currently you have to check very carefully if you are in 25p/50p 35Mbps mode for fast motion or 50p/25p 24Mbps mode for slow motion. (BTW, why do we need “fast motion” recording? The way to do it in post is very easy and doesn’t involve any data/resolution loss).

I hope the photos below can explain how similar both modes are and how easy it is to confuse those when working under “real world working conditions”.

For fast motion:

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Choosing “Special recording mode”
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Choosing the “right data/frame rate for fast motion”

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End result: “Fast motion recording”

 

 

For slow motion:

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Choosing “Special recording mode”

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Choosing the “right data/frame rate for slow motion”

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End result: “Slow motion recording”

 

 

To summarise my experience with the camera, here are some of its highlights:

• Dual media recording for backup or continuous recording (in up to 35Mbps 60p mode).
• “In-body” microphone. No need to attach the top handle (for sound reference only. Microphone is always in automatic mode).
• Pre recording function
• Jog cursor is now placed on the foldable OLED screen for easier navigation
• Very good EVF and OLED screens assuring easy manual focusing

 On the down side, here are things I would like to see addressed and maybe some of them can by fixed by firmware BEFORE shipping the production model:

• For fast & slow motion Canon’s “special recording” menu is confusing and may cause mistakes. Also being buried deep in the menu access is not very intuitive.
• In the pre-production camera I tested the side jog cursor placed on handle did not work. I assume the problem is related to this specific unit.
• The magnification button is still limited to “one step” enlargement making it harder to judge focus in wider shots.
• Moving the magnification box around is not smooth. The box placement seems pre-programmed and is the point I intend to focus is not in the middle of the box it’s a struggle.
• When the handle is attached, flipping up the EVF arm is limited.

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Camera setting for this shoot:
1080/25p 35Mbps. 1080/50p 24Mbps for slow motion. CP8 (Wide DR Gamma). No sharpness applied in post. Look by Filmconvert (KD 5213 Vis3)

Music: Neighbors by Steven Gutheinz from www.musicbed.com

A special thank to Ebby Adham for contributing his precious time for this test.

Johnnie Behiri is a freelance documentary cameraman/editor/producer working mostly for the BBC and other respected broadcasters. He is also co-owner of cinema5d.com

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Roberto Mettifogo Reply
Roberto Mettifogo November 4, 2014

how different can be the image quality and color science from beta to final version ?

Travis Wears Reply
Travis Wears November 4, 2014

It won’t be. This camera is coming out in a month. It’s finished.

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 5, 2014

They will do as little as possible before this thing comes out. It is done. This is a pre-production model, i think for a company like Canon that just means that it has not shipped to the stores yet but this Camera has already been manufactured and boxed. Its not like baking a cake.

Like it or not this camera is coming out. Time to wait 3 years to see if Canon decide to innovate anything for the next one. :(

Jeremy Woods Reply
Jeremy Woods November 10, 2014

This camera pretty much makes the C300 irrelevant all except for the codec. I think the camera everybody wants will be the C300 mk II if that comes out. Plan on $15k though. Womp womp womp…

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Myles Thompson November 14, 2014

Don’t you think the C300 image looks a lot better than this? I do…

Cinema5D Reply
Cinema5D November 4, 2014

Hi Roberto. I guess not much but it is up to Canon to do the final tweaks…We will review the final model in our modest LAB when it comes out. Thanks! Johnnie

Roberto Mettifogo Reply
Roberto Mettifogo November 4, 2014

thanks, it looks very neutral and natural to me, ready for use. There will be any firmware for sale to upgrade codecs / framerate / image size ?

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Johnnie Behiri November 4, 2014

Hi Roberto.

I am not sure it is the Canon way to sale upgrades. Anyway, to early selling upgrades to a yet to be released camera…:)

Thanks!

Johnnie

Alex Zemtsov Reply
Alex Zemtsov November 4, 2014

Can we get some uncompressed footage?

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Johnnie Behiri November 4, 2014

Hi Alex. Are you talking “original clips out of the camera” or the ProRes version of them?

Thanks!

Johnnie

Tim Fok Reply
Tim Fok November 4, 2014

Hi Johnnie,

Great post, was just about to send you an email but some readers may find value in my question.

Can you confirm that the C100 mark ii can record 24/25/30/50/60p in both AVCHD 28mbps and MP4 35mbps? Or are the higher framerates only available in MP4?

It would be good to see a comparison between 28mbps AVCHD and 35mbps MP4 at some stage. The former is also a slight upgrade from 24mbps of the C100 mark i.

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Jeffrey November 4, 2014

Hi Tim,

In AVCHD 35Mbps 59.94P/50.00P will be available;
at 24, 17, or 7Mbps 59.94i/50.00i/PF29.97/23.98P/PF25.00 will be available.

In MP4 35Mbps 59.94P/50.00P will be available;
at 24, 17, 4, or 3Mbps 29.97P/23.98P/25P will be available.

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Johnnie Behiri November 4, 2014

Thanks Jeffrey. Spot on!

Johnnie

Tim Fok Reply
Tim Fok November 4, 2014

So the extra mbps is for the higher frame rates only, got you.

Thanks

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Stephen February 17, 2015

AVCHD is available at 28MB/s for 1920 x 1080p “normal” and 59.94p (internal)
29.97 (30p) and 23.98 (24p) is available at 24MB/s AVCHD.

35MB/s is only available in the MP4 setting.

The HDMI output is 59.94i in the AVCHD 29.97 and 23.98 setting – not progressive. A 2:2 pull-down must be applied to the interlaced HDMI output to come up with 23.98p and a 2:3 pull-down must be applied in order to get 29.97p from the 59.94i HDMI output. I am still trying to confirm that the camera can output a 60p signal via the HDMI port.

Travis Wears Reply
Travis Wears November 4, 2014

A comparison between the Mk1 and Mk2 would’ve told more. I can’t see much if any difference in the image between the models. Too bad. Fixing the design flaws is nice but I would’ve rather had a broadcast codec and another stop of DR.

I hope the C300 update is not as underwhelming or everyone will be moving to the Sony cam.

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Jeffrey Moskovic November 4, 2014

The difference in image quality will be noticeable with reduced artifacts, such as jaggies, and with a cleaner image at high ISO’s. This camera was built in response to user feedback and has addressed many of those issues, adding anything else would begin to outclass the more professional models.

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 5, 2014

Jeffrey do you work at Canon? Sounds like your buying into the limit the innovation for a potentially flawed product \” RANGE \” idea. Trading simple technology upgrades for increased piles of $$$. Its time that this line of Cameras lost one of its siblings and stopped dwelling on the past. My C100 is great, but this \” Upgrade \” is nonsense. I cant imagine any current C100 owner upgrading. If they are then I guess 2 of the same camera is better than One or business has been so good this year that money outweighs sense.

Clayton Moore Reply
Clayton Moore November 4, 2014

Exactly what I\’m hearing from current C100 owners. Pretty, but not enough of an upgrade for them to get the new version. Canon, were they not protecting their \”$ -5 figure\” price range could have done so much more. Oh well.

Damon Mosier Reply
Damon Mosier November 8, 2014

You won\’t see much of a difference in footage because it is the exact same sensor as the MkI. They only really changed the ergonomics and unlocked features that the MkI was always capable of but they chose not to implement.

Cinema5D Reply
Cinema5D November 10, 2014

We have a hands-on comparison between the C100 Mark 1 and Mark 2 coming. Will be on the site in the coming days.

Travis Wears Reply
Travis Wears November 11, 2014

Cinema5D Looking forward to it!

Travis Wears Reply
Travis Wears November 11, 2014

Cinema5D Looking forward to it!

Wally Crow Reply
Wally Crow November 4, 2014

I just hope the viewfinder is usable. I never use mine on my C100 now. I use the Zacuto adapter over the lcd screen.

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Johnnie Behiri November 4, 2014

Hi Wally.

The viewfinder is very good! Totally a new experience from the original model

Thanks!

Johnnie

Christian Schmeer Reply
Christian Schmeer November 4, 2014

The list of improvements is “rather large”? Not sure I’d consider any of them “exciting” though….

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Johnnie Behiri November 4, 2014

Hi Christian.

I would!

Hope you will have a chance to shoot with this new camera. It feels like a very solid working tool and some of the new improvements like “pre recording” and “dual slot” recording might be very much appreciated by news shooters.

Thanks!

Johnnie

Tim Fok Reply
Tim Fok November 4, 2014

C100 mark 1 has dual slot record too :)

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Johnnie Behiri November 4, 2014

Hi Tim. You are right!. Let me rephrase my sentence: “The new C100 mkII dual Format recording allows operators to simultaneously capture Full HD footage in both MP4 (up to 35Mbps) and AVCHD (up to 28Mbps) variants, using frame rates of up to 60P”. Guess the original C100 can’t do that….:))

Talk soon.

Johnnie

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 5, 2014

Johnnie I respect you for what you do and with the reviews etc in that you take the time to do it. Given that you have been handed a pre-production model by Canon im guessing that you have their ear but at the same time maybe they have yours.

I dont wish to question your integrity but could you give some honest feedback regarding wether you believe this to be a worthy successor to the C100 and whether it is worth the upgrade for current C100 owners to upgrade.

Currently everyone and their dog seems to think that this “Upgrade” is a waste of time for C100 owners.

Why so positive?

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Johnnie Behiri November 5, 2014

Hi Claire.

Positive because the camera is simply looking like a mature solid working tool.
Personally I wouldn’t upgrade UNLESS I love the original model and the little extra like a much better viewfinder (essential for documentary work) higher data rate and the ability to record basic slow motion among other improvements is important for me. (I’m not talking about lowlight capability and dynamic range as we did not scientifically checked those. It will be done in our modest lab when the final camera arrives).

Now, if I was in the market for a new camera, this would have been high on my list as it is simply a very good professional camera at a fair price.

And a small favour…please don’t question my integrity…Our good connections with most if not all camera manufactures has nothing to do with our (my) personal opinion. The “game” is clear to all. No one is manufacturing a “perfect” camera and we all use those tools in different ways anyway.
We at cinema5D are completely free to write what we think and let me tell you that no manufacturer EVER showed us a “yellow” or “red” card because of what we wrote. Further more, this is the main reason why we chose a reseller (B&H) and not a manufacturer to be our partner and sole sponsor.

Thank you!!!!

Johnnie

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 6, 2014

Hi Johnnie. Thank you for clarifying all of those things for me. I often find that although I love sites like this and get all my info for free the advertisements and sponsorship messages can lead people into believing that there is more to things than meets the eye.

I question less your integrity personally but the way that many things I see on the internet including paid comments tend to lead people down a certain way of thinking and it has led me to become skeptical.

Hope I didn’t cause upset and as always it is great to see someone passionately defend their position.

For a first time buyer it is a good choice although currently the market could have used a bit more pizzaz.

All the Best

Claire

Nam Zakku Nguyen Reply
Nam Zakku Nguyen November 5, 2014

do you know how much color bit depth the camera output to external recorder? 8 or 10?

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Johnnie Behiri November 6, 2014

Hi Nam.
8-bit 4:2:2, same as C100

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Crimson November 5, 2014

” (BTW, why do we need “fast motion” recording? The way to do it in post is very easy and doesn’t involve any data/resolution loss). ”

Are you serious?
Even the best software out there uses predictive algorithm. It is not all about resolution.

That is like saying why shoot 10 bit when you interpolate from 8 bit.

This is a very disappointing comment from a camera reviewer.

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Eric Darling November 5, 2014

Furthermore, it saves a lot of media space to record just one fps vs. say, thirty.

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Johnnie Behiri November 5, 2014

Hi Crimson.

Maybe I should have been a bit more careful with phrasing my sentence!. I guess I’m frustrated with the way Canon implemented the “special recording” feature in the menu, I guaranty you will find many un happy users shooting fast motion instead of slow motion especially if you will do the change on the fly. Keeping higher bit rate in any shooting mode is always welcome, but to my experience when using short “fast motion sequences” the loss is not noticeable at all.

Thanks!

Johnnie

Chris Sinclair Reply
Chris Sinclair November 5, 2014

Your fast/slow motion recording confusion, I think, is required to determine the playback rate of the clip before ingesting to an NLE. This is similar workflow to the C300 in my experience. Register the settings in the custom menu for quick access makes it a minimal time change.

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Johnnie Behiri November 5, 2014

Hi Chris.

You are absolutely right!. The thing is, there is not much there in the menu to “warn” the user who will implement this feature “on the fly”. I can guaranty some people will find themselves shooting fast motion scenes instead of slow motion once…

Thanks!

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Wolfgang Ernst November 5, 2014

The camera lets you move the mag view area to one of 25 preprogrammed points of the frame only. That’s the reason it can’t be smooth. And, moreover, even worse, you can’t move the dual pixel AF area, which is fixed to the middle of the frame. Pity!
A touch screen with the option to move focus and mag area to any frame position would be more than useful. The cheap 70D has both, dual pixel AF and a touch screen for a fifth of the price of the new C100II.

Tim Fok Reply
Tim Fok November 5, 2014

Didn’t know you could move the Dual Pixel AF window on the 70D, that’s annoying!! (for us C100 owners)

David Bangura Reply
David Bangura November 5, 2014

Hi nice video ! What about the low light sensitivity ? Does the digic DV4 gives better noise treatment ? Thanks

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Johnnie Behiri November 5, 2014

Hi David.

Yes, the digic 4 processor gives better noise treatment.
When we get the final production camera we will run a full technical test in our modest lab and share the info.

Thanks!

Johnnie

Clemens Karl Reply
Clemens Karl November 5, 2014

WOW! What a beautiful interview! Not talking camera, but content! So honest and intimate. I love this guy and the way you\’ve portrayed him!

Clemens Karl Reply
Clemens Karl November 5, 2014

“Its not an easy life, but its what I wanted!”
GOLD :-D

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Johnnie Behiri November 5, 2014

Hi Clemens.

Ebby is indeed a very special person!

Thanks for watching and commenting.

Johnnie

Vlad Box Rojas Reply
Vlad Box Rojas November 5, 2014

So the camera shoots at 35Mbps in AVCHD or MPG. Dual focus…..hmmmm looks like a film Camera….I should go and buy the new 7D Mark 2 and save over 3K? Or put 2K more on a Sony FS7?

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Johnnie Behiri November 5, 2014

Hi Vlad Box Rojas

35Mbps in MP4 and up to 28Mbps in AVCHD.

Not sure what your needs are, but this camera is a very solid performer!. The 7DmkII is a DSLR which shoots clean looking videos (https://www.cinema5d.com/exclusive-canon-7d-mii-beta-quality-review-footage/) a la 5DmkIII style (just equipped with a smaller sensor). The FS7 is on our desk and NIno my colleague will shoot and publish his review very soon.

Thanks!

Johnnie

Clayton Moore Reply
Clayton Moore November 5, 2014

One more example of how very close we are to high quality images becoming the standard everywhere. Becoming in essence …. ubiquitous. Shoot a project on a FS7, or C100, or a GH4, or ____ fill in the blank. Esthetics aside if you downsample any 4k to 1080, grade a bit here and there, then lay HD images side by side, they all look amazing! In other words, were already to a point where other then personal preferences and form factor which camera YOU chose does not matter much in the big picture. 2 or 3 years from now, all bets are off.

Kyle Shumaker Reply
Kyle Shumaker March 3, 2015

I feel like a bit of a newbie to the videography scene sometimes, but as a recent graduate with my own LLC, sometimes this image quality nitpicking seems a tad comical to me. Can any client actually tell the difference? Or is this just stuff for video nerds to nitpick each other with? All of these cameras produce outstanding images. I have always felt that functionality is the main key. Of course, I’m about to upgrade from a 60D to this very c100 mark II, so both aspects are receiving a massive upgrade. That said, I secured a big contract recently based on the client loving a video we shot on a 60D with a 50mm ef prime f1.4, 800 dollar body with a 300 dollar lens. The interviews were lit correctly and the content was edited well… they loved it. Worrying about stuff like 4k and 10 bit seems almost borderline silly to me(that said, I am excited about 60 fps 1080p, that was my primary gripe with the previous model, I hate having my slow-mo stuff limited to 720). Ive never been much of a techie though, I’ll admit. Its more about the content IMO.

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Ryan November 6, 2014

Hitler reacts to the Canon C100 Mark 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFeJILVOTek&feature=youtu.be

theo m antoniou Reply
theo m antoniou November 6, 2014

I am sick and tired of people who always have something to say about the integrity of gear reviewers. I refer here to Claire. And, believe me, there are a lot of \”Claire\’s\” out there. There seems to be a need – from some people – that reviewers have to apologise for what they have to say about a particular piece of gear. I am eternally grateful for the opinions of people that do these reviews. To all those nay sayers out there. Form your OWN opinion about gear from the various posts. Why is it necessary to \”attack\” the person doing the review. A piece of gear, like a camera, has a spec sheet. What it is capable of or not, isn\’t a thumb suck. Moreover, if you are a halfway experienced industry professional, you will know when a reviewer is being biased or not. Alternatively, don\’t read reviews and don\’t watch the videos. Rent the camera and make up your own mind. Get a life… Theo

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 6, 2014

Is this in response to me? This is the first time ive said anything to anyone about integrity and its only because I have been reading nothing but negativity on the internet about the Camera. I own a C100 so as an owner I was upset with the release of the C100. Im sad to see this kind of response after I clearly apologized to Johnnie. There was no original Attack, but you are attacking me personally and its shameful. But I guess you dont care because I just get bundled into your big pile of trolls that you hate so it is pointless to argue.

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 6, 2014

Allot of Claires out there. That is a disgusting thing to say. Im a kind, thoughtful, independent cinematographer, that visits the trade shows and has little a bad thing to say about anyone. But like many people I enjoy a discussion… until now. Where all I seem to have received in return is Hate. The owner of the website and review has already commented and I have apologized. I read your comment again and its very upsetting. You have attacked my professionalism, my personality, said i should not be allowed an opinion, and that I NEED to attack peoples integrity. As for me getting a life… i have a rather nice one, not that you have helped at all. How horrible that people defending this website can be like this.

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Johnnie Behiri November 6, 2014

Guys….

Lets not make (or take) it personally.
It’s not easy maintaining an active site being a pleasant place to visit. I simply need your help to keep it that way.

We are all professionals who are seeking for the best tools to work with. I promise to use our contacts and share with Canon all of your concerns.

Thanks!

Johnnie

Samuel Sloan Reply
Samuel Sloan November 9, 2014

10 bit 422 out of the HDMI would be a nice touch

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Wolfgang Ernst November 6, 2014

Claire, just to clarify. My recent thread was solely a response to Ryan’s “Hitler Review” on YouTube. I was not you. I should have adressed this clearly.

I hope we can continue to discuss cameras only.

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Wolfgang Ernst November 6, 2014

Ryan, I can not at all accept your “Hitler Review” on YouTube!
I fully share your anger about Canon.
But as German I cannot accept the way you have expressed your concerns. It is not funny! You’d better dig out your history class book and learn what has happened between 33 to 45.
This is a valuable photo/video site, technical, not a f…ing satire magazine. Wanna be witty and biting? Well, be creative as you pretend to be. Look for more serious, acceptable formats to express your sensitivities. Does Canon block your creativity just because EOS cams don’t have all the bells and whistles other cheap cams have these days?

The new C100 II is another example how Canon makes progress. From mark X to mark X+1. Small steps, not jumps. You may love it or leave it. Up to now I’ll not sell my collection of L-glass. Let’s see what the future does.

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 6, 2014

Yeah the Hitler comparisons are getting old. I am also keeping the Canon glass. I have a glass cabinet full of old canon cameras and am drawn to the brand like a moth to a flame. In a way im glad that I dont have to fork out money for a new C100. Canon have given me an excuse to keep my current workhorse and invest in more glass.

Clint Brock Reply
Clint Brock November 6, 2014

So… I\’ll add something positive. I\’m a dslr, run and gun shooter, and my background is in photo. I need a FAST rig, like changing from darkish indoor tungsten to bright outdoor daylight in 2-3 seconds. I\’ve tried several cameras and the C100 seems to be the only \”camcorder\” that might be able to hang with those demands. However, the quality difference wasn\’t super drastic. Now that it offers 60p at 1080 and a semi-reliable autofocus it is an absolute no-brainer upgrade and it\’ll revolutionize our business. In your case, the C100 may or may not be attractive. In our case, our 2015 looks a lot different with it :)

Rick Cook Reply
Rick Cook November 7, 2014

Is the Fast/Slomotion mode the same as working with the C300? You do not need to use that feature, can you not just shoot in 1080 60P then conform in post? Also, I use the Fast motion effect regularly with the C300 to do quick time-lapse shots without slowing myself down. Shooting in that mode saves you an incredible amount of space as you are not rolling frames that are not needed.

Claire McHardy Reply
Claire McHardy November 7, 2014

Johnnie how were you able to achieve this type of sharpness from the Camera. I have been filming in Canon Log with the canon Cinema Profile on the C100 mk1 and have struggled to achieve this level of sharpness in post without moir etc.

Any tips for achieving the best grade in post.

Is it a LUT to start followed by grading and post sharp. Do you use any noise reduction. Do you shoot with a different camera profile.

Currently im shooting Cinema locked, taking the footage into FCPX Optomised then grading straight away with HyColour Pro. So far ive enjoyed the colour of the image but im loosing allot of detail during the grade and any sharpness added tends to show artifacting in the image.

All the Best

Claire

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Troy November 8, 2014

First of all, I’ve owned 2 Canon C100’s. In late 2013 or earlier this year (January 2014), I received a survey directly from Canon. The survey asked “Specific” questions on what my thoughts were concerning the C100. It also asked of recommendations or fixes for the camera. The C100 Mark II is (almost) exactly what we (the actual buyers of the C100) wanted. No we didn’t get 50 Mbps Codec (like the C300), but we got everything else. Including New OLED (same as what’s on the C500), New EVF, 60P (wow, how many people begged and whined about Slo Mo), WiFi, MP4, New Imaging, Face detection, Dual Pixel AF Standard, etc. And guess what, all at $5499.

So no, we didn’t get EVERYTHING WE WANTED, but WE DID GET JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. I never hear anyone talk about resale value. I just sold my C100 with dual pixel upgrade for $4699. How could I forget, they didn’t add 4K to the C100 Mark II. If you own a C100, you get it. You have a great 4K sensor (same as in the C300), you can shoot Wide DR right out of the box. Little to no post production work. Quick edits (easy workflow in FCPX) and viola, off to client/ customer, Paid in Full! At least that’s how it works for me. So much to maximize in HD today. Yes, 4K is here, but I can guarantee you, the next best 4K camera is coming soon. The C300 Mark II (or C400) will have everything you want and 4K for $15,000!

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Wolfgang Ernst November 9, 2014

Yes, Troy, the C100II got some features which the “actual C100 buyers wanted”.
Not 4k? No. Especially this point is o.k. with me. But many people asking why do even cheap cams of today have 4k, why not the C100?
My answer: You missed to pore on the 4k workflow carefully.
Currently 4k production is increasingly easy and decreasingly cheap. But no strong workflow example has yet been demonstrated which shows stress-free editing and easy distributing of 4k content.
4k files are horrendously huge. 1 second UltraHD footage at 30fps needs about 0.5 GByte of storage. 1 hour footage fills almost 2 TB! This means a transfer bandwidth of at least 500 MB/sec is required for the post. As consequence, high compression rates are essential. Codecs reduce bit rates significantly but at the same time they throw away much of the image details collected prior. (Not to talk of artifacts) With affordable hardware of today it is far more awkward or even impossible to edit 4k footage. What is the sense of applying a highly lossy codec on 4k footage in order to come down to the 2k level just for the purpose of post-production? Why not just stay with 2k solutions? Yes, on 4k images you may pan, zoom and stabilize, but at which effort?

What is the sense of buying an expensive painting of a renowned artist and cut the size with scissors down radically only for the purpose that the painting should fit to the small space over the chimney?

John Galt (Panavision) said: “If you want greater resolution shoot at higher frame rates, not
more pixels.” In this respect the C100II has gotten a valuable improvement, it has now 35 MB/s / 1920×1080 / 50p (PAL)

The C100II improvements are not a revolution but Canon’s understanding of evolution.
You may love it or leave it.

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Crimson Son November 9, 2014

Wolfgang-

With all due respects, you are way off.

No one needs to edit in uncompressed 4K. That was not true with SD, 720 or 1080 and it is not true for 4K.
There are high quality codecs now that allows multi stream 4K editing in FCP X and Premiere CC and other NLEs.

“What is the sense of buying an expensive painting of a renowned artist and cut the size with scissors down radically only for the purpose that the painting should fit to the small space over the chimney?”

Your analogy is way off. This is misunderstanding of how video compression works.
Why shoot film of HD when the video is straight to DVD?

“John Galt (Panavision) said: “If you want greater resolution shoot at higher frame rates, not
more pixels.”

I agree but frame rate is one ONLY of the factors that improves perceived resolution. Color depth, dynamic range, contrast, frame size all affects perceived resolution. Unfortunately, Canon is has done little to C100 in that regards.

“The C100II improvements are not a revolution but Canon’s understanding of evolution.”

For the c100 only, not the for the industry.

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Wolfgang Ernst November 10, 2014

Hi Crimson Son,

Not in the least I was referring to “editing uncompressed 4k files”. My indication is: If you shoot 4k and reframe the compressed 4k camera files to 2k for editing (which makes sense) you will still need to have all the hardware requirements for storage and data transfer of 4k. Scaling an image down does not reduce bandwidth for image playback nor space required to store source media files.

compression – let’s make it simple:
A 4k image carries 4 times the image data (coded in “1” and “0”) compared to a 2k image. Your camera has a data pipe of given, limited bit rate for the immediate transfer of the compressed image data to the camera’s storage media. Am I right saying that you need higher in camera compression and hence discard more data from a 4k image than from a 2k image in order to flush the same amount of data through the given bottleneck?

Maybe my painting analogy for compression/bitrate was off. Here is a real one: Youtube now supports even 4k files (2160p). I guess that with the given bandwidth of your home network you can neither receive nor perceive 4k video reasonably. You may either lower the 4k resolution or watch a slide show … on your 1920×1080 TV screen …sitting 10 feet away.

“For the c100 only, not for the industry”.
I’ve got it. The 2k C100 is for the non-professionals, the GoPro4, Pany LX100, Sony AX100 and many more which have 4k are meant for the industry. With all due respects, Crimson Son, you are way off.

Tom Palmaers Reply
Tom Palmaers November 18, 2014

More details and video footage of the MK II (japanese) http://youtu.be/SJ7wRXH1omI

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Johnnie Behiri November 19, 2014

Thank you Tom!!

Crickie Thomas Reply
Crickie Thomas January 31, 2015

Why record “slow mo” at 60/24? Why not just shoot 60 and slow down in the nle?

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Johnnie Behiri January 31, 2015

Canon included this feature for shooters who needs to record slow motion in location.

Thanks

Johnnie

Jairus Burks Reply
Jairus Burks March 26, 2015

This Camera Seeems so Pointless

Julien Garros Reply
Julien Garros April 30, 2015

If you had the choice will you grab a C100 Mark 2 or a C300? Thanks!

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Troy Moss April 30, 2015

C100 Mark 2 has the new DIGIC DV 4 processor (better than C300). New processor produces better image. Use with the external Atomos Ninja Star for better codec (Apple ProRes)…..